To think it’s turning into genocide in real time part 2

[Everythingnotsavedwillbelost73]

First thread here but it’s full
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4918938-to-think-its-turning-into-genocide-in-real-time?page=1

Medical Aid to Palestine posted this thread on facebook describing the scenes in Gaza as being like the last days of humanity with one of their staff members having to search through piles of bodies to find his 13 year old niece https://www.facebook.com/100064712829372/posts/pfbid028yxpzimtA3apA6CSs8dEhJBd16rYUQR6QjFidEpwRCZzPVYoeJezX8nDrtZP2UZRl/?app=fbl

The main stream press aren’t really addressing the horror of what is happening (bar maybe Channel 4 news and Al Jazeera) - it’s a sanitised version.

As I said in the original thread, there has been absolute horror on both sides but the Israeli government are inflicting collective punishment on the people of Gaza, which is a war crime under international law.

I still feel we are watching genocide in real time.

@Fairtobefairohhhhhc "When peace was promised, they just killed him. Because they don't want peace."

Total utter nonsense.

He was killed by a right-wing nutter. That doesn't prove the Israeli government didn't want peace.

By the same token are you saying that the murder of President Kennedy (by another right-wing nutter) meant that Americans didn't want a Democrat in the White House?

@CosimoPiovasco "There is an ongoing investigation "

By whom, and this is reported - where?

@mydiaryisfull That's not the same though. Is it! This was a peace rally! Yes a right wing nutter, as you put it. Quite literally what the israeli government is made up of now! They don't want peace.

If you look at the nice map that Netanyahu presented at the UN conference this September 2023 you can clearly see only Israel on it.
That’s this September
inciting violence by calling for the eradication of Palestine

PP fancies her/himself as a lawyer, twisting words and using semantics to distract from what’s going on.
We’re not in a courtroom now, love. We’re on an online forum, commenting on the atrocities that are being reported live by multiple international news outlets and acknowledging comments made by institutions such as the UN that Israel is committing war crimes.

I’m not a lawyer, love, so clearly I don’t have access to what’s been submitted to the ICC (although I hear that Israel doesn’t consider itself beholden to the ICC anyway). So it’s pointless demanding inside information about what’s been submitted to the ICC.

All I can say is that murdering thousands of innocent children is a crime in my book - and I’m certainly not alone in saying that.

See the grand plan it’s gone

This is overlooked so much. Happy people don't go around committing terrorist attacks. Years and years of oppression, years of trauma, years of engineered poverty, years of killing, years of humiliation. Try treating Palestinians like equal people. Apologise for all of the atrocities committed. Pull out of the West Bank. Stop controlling how they get water in the West Bank, whether or not they can build permanent houses, stop with the humiliating checkpoints, stop chucking people out of their homes. In Gaza pay reparations to every person that they have had under collective punishment for decades, rebuild their schools their hospitals, their infrastructure, their places of worship etc. Stop controlling their imports and exports , let them have an airport and a seaport, stop bombing and shooting them. Show them that they see them as human too, recognise the pain they have caused. Give everyone space and time to heal.

Honestly it feels like gas lighting in the extreme on mumsnet lately(I'm in Ireland so no so much in real life because people here mostly get it). The amount of people trying to convince us that Hamas are going to come to europe and kill everyone for sport, that Palestinians just hate Israel for being a Jewish state rather than for the decades of documented horrifying treatment they have been subjected to. That Israel is some kind of beacon of hope in the Middle East when their cruelty not just now but for decades is being shouted from the rooftops. Wtf is happening in the world? Since when is calling for a ceasefire of mass slaughter a controversial opinion? It's all too much.

Agree with you @OuiOuiKitty

@OuiOuiKitty
Agree

This is why they won’t let the Palestinians have an airport etc. It legitimises them. It’s proof that they existed.

In 50 years time, Israel wants to show the photo of Netanyahu holding this map and say, “See, look. Here’s a map from 2023. Proving that Gaza never existed.”

@OuiOuiKitty its interesting you say that in Ireland people seem to grasp what’s been going on for years with Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. I’m in a FB group with my Irish cousins and they’ve been talking about this for years! Long before this current crisis. Which is how I first came to take a deeper interest and start researching it all. Because in UK hardly anyone ever acknowledged it let alone spoke about it. But our media always presented Israel only in the best possible light.

So explain why Israel hasn't been indicted for genocide?

Because, as you know, every single UN resolution against Israel has been strangled at birth by the USA, which has a blanket policy to veto any and all votes to sanction Israel.

You know fine well it's not because Israel is a cuddly fluffy bunny, who only the Iranians bitch about.

Ireland have long been supporters of an end to Palestinian occupation and oppression. There is an article here from 2021 that explains some of the background. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/6/7/whats-behind-irelands-support-for-palestine

Wow that’s a brilliant article thank you @OuiOuiKitty

@OuiOuiKitty
I feel it’s important to point out though that Irish policy doesn’t identify with Hamas. Nor was there ever large support amongst Irish government or civilians for the violent methods of the IRA (or the violent methods of British Loyalists).

Rather, Irish civilians and government know what it feels like to be tarred with the IRA brush against their will whenever they tried to oppose British rule. Just as the ordinary Gazan people are being murdered now “because Hamas”.

Also neither the IRA nor the British ever descended to the depths of hatred seen now between Israel and its neighbours. Each side, Irish and British, wished the other gone but not necessarily suffering or dead. Not so, unfortunately, in the truly appalling current Middle East conflict.

That must explain why Celtic football fans in Glasgow had a display of Palestinian flags and scarfs at a recent game, against the official club advice, and many of the supporters have lost their season tickets indefinitely due to this.

Oh, of course, tbh I thought that went without saying. Irelands focus has always been on the every day Palestinian and their right to freedom from occupation and oppression. Ireland has never condoned Hamas, nor have they paid for Hamas tunnels as some Israeli ambassadors might lead you to believe 👀

Hundreds of Jewish and Arab-Palestinian citizens gathered together in Haifa, a Jewish-Arab city in Israel, to send a clear message for partnership and for Israeli-Palestinian peace.

https://twitter.com/AlonLeeGreen/status/1720910248167293418

Israeli warplanes have bombed an area of Shati refugee camp where residents were gathering to get potable water.

I know - you wouldn’t think it needs saying but it seems to.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CzRJdnorgsA/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Please watch this. This is today in gaza.

Partially true re Ireland.
However if you go further back in Irish history it’s the oppression, for hundreds of years, by the British Govn of the Irish that has meant the Irish ( Catholics) will generally support the oppressed especially if it’s partially brought on by the British ( Palestine 1947 )
Support for the early IRA was in fact very strong and right through to the British Black and Tans terror campaign and through to internment without trial and the hunger strikes.
That’s why Celtic supported the Palestinians at the football match. Celtic fc are known as the Catholic club.

Lets face it, the UK still celebrate the 5th November with little thought for what that means to Catholics and Tony Blair only converted after he’d left office.

blimey.
Ive had a hand there in one of these derailing history lessons.
Apologies.

As an aside.
I was driving from Exeter to Dover today
Two huge green white and gold trucks carrying aid to Palestine.👏👏

Thankyou for this the additional info at the bottom is interesting too.
The speech by the member of the Israeli military is worth a watch and just goes to show it’s not about just getting rid of hamas at all,

I think the police need to be more present everywhere, that guy beating up a pro Palestinian supporter on the underground should be charged.

Unbelievable

www.instagram.com/p/CzSAgMfA3wl/