To think it’s turning into genocide in real time

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Just seen this on the news- how can this be right? It genuinely is starting to feel like genocide.

What Hamas did was beyond appalling. But this is also beyond appalling too. Its trying to wipe Gaza off the map. Over 500 kids have already died. Human rights watch have verified that Israel uses white phosphorus against Gaza, which is a war crime.

And everyone is just watching it happen.

“The Israeli army has just ordered the entire civilian population of Gaza to evacuate south within 24 hours. The UN says that amounts to 1.1 million people& applies to 100s of 1000s sheltered in UN buildings & their staff. This is impossible without “devastating human consequences”
Leaving aside the international law implications, I cannot emphasise enough how impossible this kind of movement of people would be. I have spent a lot of time in Gaza it is one of the most densely populated places on earth, there are pretty much only 2 roads south - along the coast and down the centre - they aren’t wide or well paved. I spoke to the gaza health ministry yesterday who said every hospital was overflowing. How would the wounded and elderly be transported? There is a massive fuel shortage how would vehicles drive? There would be no where for 1.1 million to go even if they got there. Rafah crossing to Egypt is not operational because of Israeli airstrikes.”

This is how Genocide is classified;
U.N. Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

"In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

• Killing members of the group;

• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part"

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines 😪

It is absolutely dreadful. I am not clever enough to even start to understand the complexities of the history of the conflict but I cannot believe anyone would think this was ok

I felt deeply troubled at what happened in Israel last week. But this response doesn’t seem to be punishing the right people.

it doesn’t sit right with me to choose a side, and lots of people seem to be doing that to the side of israel (lots of “I stand with Israel”) when Palestine needs support too. Hamas is fundamentally evil but they don’t represent most Palestinians

Do you have another new post saying roughly the same thing? Because the wording is eerily similar.

is it ask often enough and you will get the right answer?

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen err, no

What would you define as the "right answer" in this context?

It is absolutely horrendous. I know that what Hamas did was appalling, but I can't support Israel's response and I'm shocked that the UK government seem to think it's ok.

YANBU.

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A small sample of the torture genocide and human rights abuses for last ten years. How come this is the only place getting coverage on the topic of brutal regimes and murders?

there are 50 other Arab states- what help are they sending? What airlifting are they doing? The Jews of Israel have nowhere else to go. They have to keep their land safe.

What would you do?

This conflict has actually affected me personally. I cannot sleep and feel traumatised after seeing the suffering shown on SM and TV. It’s shocking how politicians are supporting this but then again they don’t represent the public. There’s a rising sentiment that to criticise the Israeli government and army is anti semitic..

@IhearyouClemFandango quite!

The right answer, I guess, would be the international community demanding an immediate ceasefire. Not sending the bloody Royal Navy in as Sunak has done. I am hoping they are there for a humanitarian purpose but it doesn’t seem so.

Israel has an army and protection, also support
from the USA. Where will the wounded children of Palestine go?

The constant reiteration that Israel has the right to defend itself seems to be at all costs to the Palestinians in Gaza.

The Palestinian children have already had their death warrants signed. Babies in incubators won’t survive after the electricity ran out.

@Okeydokedeva are you suggesting that the people of Gaza bugger off their own lands to another Arab country? Because that is known as Ethnic cleansing.

And it’s being discussed because it’s literally in the news. In the same was Ukraine was, and Afghanistan etc.

'It's genuinely starting to feel like genocide' - what, just now? You didn't feel it was 'like genocide' straight after Hamas murdered Jews in Israel?

@Wisterical as you can see from my post, I have included both Hamas and Israel in my definition of genocide.

I totally agree with this.

THIS

Only one side has publicly stated their aim is the total destruction and eradication of the other (a Genocide).

Only one side gives warnings to civilians before a strike, by a "roof knock" or public announcement.

You can figure out which is which.

I agree. I have seen so many people on here and elsewhere say that the Palestinians deserve this and it is anti-sematic to say otherwise. I've never experienced this before, people saying that children and babies 'deserve this'. I don't for one second believe they would feel the same if children in this country were being punished for actions of our government.

@BMW6 actually not sure I can as it goes. Both sides have used genuinely appalling language.

The actions of both Israel & Hamas fit this description too. It’s just fucking beyond terrible. And it feels like some world leaders are just cheering from the sidelines

In the aftermath of the terrorist attack I can understand that a country in shock and living in fear of further attacks desires vengeance. I can understand that when the Israeli intelligence agencies and military were unable to protect its citizens the leader of that country may talk tough to reassure people and inspire confidence that the government will deal with the terrorists in a decisive way.

What I cannot understand is the response from global leaders. Where is the attempt to de-escalate? Why are they turning a blind eye to the humanitarian crisis and disregard for human rights in Gaza?

@FOJN yes that’s exactly how I feel. The UN have asked for an urgent descalation- the EU have done fuck all and seem to support the military intervention. Sunak has sent the fucking navy and Biden is war mongering. It’s genuinely horrific to watch.

I agree, I think it's absolutely disgusting. What Hamas did was atrocious but so it what Israel are doing. I can't believe the UK and the world are just letting it happen but I am not surprised as Israel has been doing this to Palestine for years and turned a blind eye. People cannot seem to separate Hamas from Palestinian civilians. I'm ashamed to be British right now.