AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

Question how or why does it help society to let criminals that murder go free with potential to reoffend and potentially murder again ?

Well that’s clearly not the case
is it? The alternative to capital punishment isn’t let them go free. That’s a debate about sentencing which is a whole different topic.

”if uk does not have viable companies then im guessing like the arms trade there will be one or another country willing to sell their services and machines and equipment“

At some point it’s best to just admit you’ve been outclassed and walk away from a debate.

i may be out classed and ill admit that but what i dont agree with is when people use the Reinterpretation of my words and then try to say that's what i mean or i am saying without actually asking me eg if you said are you saying x etc

Spent most of the weekend in thr pool with my family/grandkids. We had fans in the rooms at night, cool drinks, al fresco dining, ice creams.... off on holiday for 2 weeks next week....oh thr joys of not being a criminal and having previous ruined other people's lives. Zero sympathy

*services does not auto mean doctors it can apply from maintance and operating of the machines, parts for the machines, etc a whole range of services

Yeah to be fair it’s not actually clear what you mean at all because your posts just don’t make sense anymore.

I’ve tried to engage in a meaningful conversation with you but you’re just not interested

ok to help me understand how exactly am i ment to respond im not always good at following others points etc

Why have you tried to start a serious debate if you can’t follow and respond to people?

because im strange. and i dont think normally

basically im mostly Bentham/consequentialism with elements of Hobbes and realism vs iwasboredinbed who id guess is mainly Kant/deontological

Im ;

40% Hobbesian realism (strong state, order, security)
30% Retributive justice (crime deserves punishment)
20% Consequentialism (judge policies by whether they protect society)
10% Situational psychology (drawing on Zimbardo's work to acknowledge that environments can shape behaviour)

In short Individual rights matter, but they should not prevent society from protecting innocent people from dangerous offenders.

The justice system exists primarily to protect innocent people. If legal rules obstruct that purpose, we should at least question whether they're fit for purpose.

Most prisoners have already been failed by society - terrible parenting, lack of education, abused and neglected as children, fell through the cracks in children's homes and youth offending services. I'm not sure leaving them to boil alive is particularly helpful for rehabilitation.

So now you've done an online ethics/morals quiz and are copying the results here?

Yeah I think your first sentence nails it.

Nice attempt at a troll post but you’ve just embarrassed yourself

I don’t really know what’s going on anymore

yes because i wanted to understand my thinking because as iwasboredinbed made the analysis that i dont know shit so i tyried to understand my thoughts better with thinkers like kant, hobbes etc the old philosophers

I hope none of your grandchildren ever fall on hard times or reach for drugs and alcohol to cope with life's problems. Any one of us could find ourselves in difficulties one day. Prisoners arent a separate species- they are humans with emotions and needs, just like your perfect family.

but thats even assuming they even what to be rehabilited to begin with

Most prisoners have failed society by not fulfilling their obligations.

OP, I think it’s probably best you ask MNHQ to shut this one down.

why ? its been a respectful discussion and ive not broken any rules so why ?

I mean if you want to continue embarrassing yourself that’s fine too

in the pursuit of knowledge and understanding and trying to learn even if im making a daft show of my brains then why should i be embarrassed for trying to debate, learn and yes make errors