AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

And this 👆 ladies and gentlemen is why we should never bring back capital punishment and should probably do away with juries people are just so knee jerky with their punish them all attitudes , whether it's for protesting or mass murder.
They fcking scare me sometimes.

then you let them out and they start taking lives, how many serial killers in the past would you have let murder etc before saying they needed the death penalty ?

Yabu

Our justice system is not perfect.
Some people are in prison for months before they come to trial and are then found innocent.
Some people are found guilty incorrectly and are released after years of unjust imprisonment. This is far more likely to happen to poor people, BAME people and people with SEN/Mental disabilities/Neurodiversity issues.

Even if they are guilty, their punishment is deprivation of liberty and additional punishments of being kept in conditions that are painful, humiliating, unhygienic or in any other way damaging to mental and physical health is not something we should be doing in a civilised society.

Prisons should be clean, adequately ventilated in hot weather and adequately heated in cold weather, and with sufficient basic comforts to ensure reasonable mental and physical health without being luxurious. These are human rights. The idea that prisoners don't deserve human rights is sickening and belongs in evil facist regimes not in free and fair democracies. Any law-abiding person can be the victim of a miscarriage of justice if they have bad luck, so don't wish conditions for prisoners that you wouldn't accept for yourself if you were one such unlucky person.

You should read up on the typical sorts of crimes women go to prison for.
The vast majority of them weren't conning or ambushing anyone.

People have died from heatstroke whilst staying indoors.

How many innocent people are you comfortable with executing? Because the death penalty makes it a stone cold certainty that some will be.

The fact they have been found guilty of a crime is not a reason to treat them inhumanely.

I'm not sure all protesters need the death penalty TBF or the women @Greengage1983 may be referring to - although in the US in some states, you can get banged up for terminating a life threatening pregnancy, even the medical staff can.
But I'm not sure, we are going to agree on anything OP and although I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you - I like nuance.

This 👆 was meant for @PenelopeJoanSterling btw.

Would be interesting to see what the outcome were if the British public were allowed to vote on whether to bring back the DP for the very worst crimes.

I have never been more sure of how the vote would go. 💉

It'd go death penalty. The right wing rags would rage bait in the months leading up to it with stories about murderers etc, without a single article on miscarriages of justice

I don't think you have to put prisoners right up to the top of your "most concerned" list, but I do think a decent country recognises that all humans, even really shit ones, have certain basic entitlements that arise simply by virtue of their being human, and that this includes having their physical needs met. If people are in prison those physical needs are met by the state, and the state should be ensuring that prisoners in their custody aren't dying of heatstroke.

It's also worth considering how many people currently held in prison are there because they were born into the most hideous poverty, neglect, lack of opportunity, lack of prospects, inadequacy of education, etc., and that this dragged them down a path to criminality that many of us would have followed if born into the same circumstances. It's not all of them, but it's a lot, and prison is a bad enough solution to these societal ills as it is without our also just shrugging off the fact that our prisons are so unfit for purpose, they're actually deadly.

Oh, One million percent. People like the OP would vote without thinking any of it through - similar to this thread, where they hear the word prisoners and think "pedos" , but conveniently forget about the poor postmasters who were wrongly convicted. There are loads of people like this unfortunately 🫣.

Fuck me.

You want to overhaul our entire legal system to deny the upper courts the right to hear appeals? Despite the Supreme Court often changing decisions of the lower courts?

At one point I thought you were a little naive but unfortunately I think you’re just a little stupid. We can’t change our entire legal system just because you want to kill some people.

They don’t have more rights than the victim - that’s why they lose their right to liberty.

i did only ask a questions "Question - why should someone that takes a life on purpose have more rights than the victim ?"

What if instead society bypassed the legal system and used methods like the intelligence services use and gitmo them ? obviously make sure they are guilty first then they can spend there years in another countrie covert ops site

This thread shows a huge lack of respect towards the people who keep society safe. The public would be all to happy to beat the prisoners daily, keep them uncomfortable hot conditions, the police, medical staff, prison officers, social workers have to deal with prisoners all the time,
the families who are at home, unless you are want a South America set up where the prisoners rule the prison, a lot of prisoners and prison guards die, then you have to treat them humanely.

i ask the question everyone would ask, why commit the crimes then ?

Yeah you’re on a wind up

have the intel services use methods to have high value targets suspected of different crimes in gitmo and other sites yes or no ?

For those who don’t think convicted prisoners should be entitled to be held in humane conditions, does this also apply to prisoners before trial, in your opinion?

Guantanamo bay is highly regarded as one huge miscarriage of justice, I wouldn’t use it as an example to be honest

Unless you are completely narrow minded and can’t see that everyone has different circumstances, foundations, levels of education, mental health conditions, severely mentally ill, there is a million reasons why you shouldn’t commit crime, then there are circumstances that lead you into destruction.
I grew up in a wc area where children were often left hungry, fending for themselves at a young age. This has been explained to you many times. But as you can’t see past black or white it is a waste of time.

i can understand survival to a degree eg for actual food to survive etc, but there are many crimes that there is no rational analysis for.

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