AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

I agree. It’s easy to decide “they” must be treated a certain way, but one day you or someone you love might be one of “them”. The justice system you want for them must be one you’d be prepared to face. They are doing the time, that is their punishment.

Dostoevsky was an author of fiction. Why do so many people take that quote in particular as being some inalienable truth?

The media and people who push the prisons are like hotels.
Funnily enough I've never stayed where it's
Constant noise
Sexual deviant,rapist,nonce ,murders,robbers etc as fellow guests
Constant risk of danger
Drug abuse
Fights
Potting
Kettleing
Oh and not being able to go out +A whole lot more.
Really must check trip advisor as I must be getting something wrong.

It’s an insightful comment on humanity. Dickens had quite a few too. Looking at penal systems around the world, this quote resonates with me.

Prisons full of criminals, and dangerous individuals
and not being able to get out

What a shocking concept 😂

They are still human beings and are so are the staff.

There are a very few people on whole life sentences. For the vast majority part of sentencing is about rehabilitation it benefits society that less people return crime that leads to a return to jail not just the person themselves

Having longer prison sentences for sex offenders and those violent in particular towards children I fully support. The are a small percentage of prisoners, other violent prisoners can often through robust rehabilitation can change their lives why would we not want that. It’s better for society We are never going to have a time when all murderers are give full life sentences

I hate the argument if this was your child. That I could possibly even begin to imagine the strength of feeling they feel, I could not even begin to imagine their emotions (why would I want to think about this) all I know it is something so horrific I can’t possibly put myself in their position but I can empathise and I do and just because I do does not mean I would agree with their point of view, but would know when not to express my point of view.

I find this line of argument distasteful

The media pushing it's hotel like ..well it's not is it.
It's the last place you'd want to stay.

This - it depends very much on the crime committed whether l have sympathy or not, anyone who has hurt a child for example deserves to suffer, l have no sympathy at all.

I wouldn't want to stay in some of our hospitals or even some of the schools in this country

Prisons being unwelcoming places full of criminals? well duh!

This is pure silliness. I don’t understand why there is this aversion to aircon. The planet is getting hotter. It’s not going to cool off in our lifetimes, we should just put aircon everywhere.

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All those problems are caused by the prisoners themselves, not by the prison as accommodation.

for that type of crime only one suitable punishment, death sentence, and if any one disagrees with that, please explain your reasoning

I do not believe is state sanctioned murder

What if the wrong person is executed

Why should someone like Ian Brady, who wanted to die, be allowed his wish rather than his full punishment of having his life controlled and knowing this until the day he dies

The prison I work in is a remand prison. Most of the prisoners haven't had a trial yet, they just didn't get bail.
It's boiling in the cells. Honestly horrendous.
YABU.

It’s hard to not agree. Children are the most vulnerable in society, the idea of them being hurt is unimaginable and it’s not surprising that people want child killers dead. It’s quite complicated from what I’ve seen and read to put things in place to protect kids (not that the uk bothers) without it becoming more dangerous to the lives of children.
I don’t agree with chemical castration unless the person it’s happening to wants it also. Purely because it’s been proven that unless the desire to not want to harm kids is there, then the child would be more at risk of a more brutal sex attack. Without being to gratuitous if a penis can’t be used, something else will be. Basically it’s more harmful for the child if the predator still wants to hurt them.
I watched a guy a few weeks back on TikTok who studied crime and punishments and he said that if child predators knew they’d be killed for their crimes, that would make the child far more vulnerable to death so if they were abusing a child then they’d likely kill that child at some point to try to remove the risk of being caught for abuse. So whilst the sentiment of “touch kids and die” sounds like it’s solving problems, it’s also creating the likelihood of more children being killed.
I don’t have the answers and I can’t say that I didn’t wish it was that easy, you harm a child in that way you get death because let’s be honest, nobody wants child abusers around. They can’t be rehabilitated, they’re just a drain on society, but we have to find a solution that doesn’t impact kids safety even more than keeping these freaks alive.

I don’t particularly want the state to choose who lives and who dies, it’s a very dangerous slope, but it’s also disingenuous of me to say that when we’ve had the recent prison killings of Ian Huntley or Ian Watkins, I didn’t think good riddance. I felt sorry for both their mums, who didn’t deserve such evil sons, but that didn’t remove me being pleased they were no longer ever getting the chance to still harm victims families by being constantly in the news etc, I was glad they’re just dead and I can’t lie.

When I was in the US I visited Yuma prison on the Mexico border. Now THAT was hot. It’s in a desert.

I think people with no lived experience of the type of people who end up in prison can bleed out their hearts for the poor lambs or think it could happen to anyone but the truth is, it’s bloody hard to make a prison sentence stick in the UK these days and those who get one don’t deserve public money spaffing up the wall on air con over and above hospital patients or care home residents!

I totally get you. Last week, when the temperature was touching 35 degrees,a male friend of mine messaged me and asked me if I was going to the coffee shop today. I said not today,I can't face the bus journey in this heat. His response was how do think chefs in boiling hot kitchens manage,or prisoners locked in their cells for 23 hours a day? I said well I can sympathise to a degree with chefs, I certainly couldn't do it,but they chose to go into that profession, knowing how hot kitchens can get. But as for prisoners, sorry I have zero sympathy. As they say if you don't want to do the time, don't do the crime!

Absolutely incorrect.

The death penalty isn’t a deterrent - look at America where people still happily murder others despite the death penalty. It’s also incredibly expensive - you don’t just get to sentence them to death and they’re killed the next day. Everyone on this planet has the absolute right to life, it’s one of our human rights. So therefore anyone would purports to be taking it away legally must go through rigorous legal processes before they can. So they pay for appeal after appeal and it takes years. Where is that money coming from?

Also add on the fact that you then need to ask NHS doctors to take time away from their current duties to do it. Would you feel comfortable seeing a doctor knowing they’ve taken away a human life the day before? How does it reconcile with their oath to do no harm? Who’s funding the extra money for these doctors?

The death penalty doesn’t work.

The death penalty may not work as a deterrent but it might give the victims family some sort of closure.

How? Through years and years of protracted legal cases that just drag out the suffering?

The Death Penalty Information Centre states that the death penalty fails victim’s families. https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/victims-families/statements-from-murder-victims-family-members

Prisoners have shelter, food, electricity and a bed.

It's people experiencing homelessness I feel sorry for.

Being in prison and having their freedom removed is their punishment. Not being boiled alive!

also many prisoners are on remand and haven’t been convicted of a crime yet.

then we change the system, one appeal and then take care of business, Question - why should someone that takes a life on purpose have more rights than the victim ?