AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

These are your fellow humans that you’re talking about!

I think on the most part it’s relatively easy to avoid going to prison

I think prisons should be rehabilitative. The punishment is lack of freedom - not inhumane living conditions, nor should it be. If conditions are horrific due to the heat, they should be sorted.

It’s easy to say until something happens to you.

I knew someone once who was in a tragic accident. He was driving his parents home from a meal, hit black ice and spun the car. The dad panicked, and lied for his son. The judge took a dim view of this entire situation and they both ended up in prison. Because of the nature of our prisons, the son ended up in a life of crime. He was sent 400 miles away and released with something stupid like £60 to get himself home. How does that work?

Yes they should be locked up but that doesn’t mean they should be deprived of their human rights.

we aren’t the third world or the USA

Don’t lie to police then?

This is a childishly simplistic view of prisoners. Do you really believe convicted criminal = "evil"? And do you really think that if you have committed any crime that merits a custodial sentence then you should suffer without limit? You don't think people can be redeemed or that any of them might be more than whatever they did that landed them in prison? And what about their loved ones—their parents, partners, children, friends etc? Do they just need to suck it up and get on with the fact that someone they love is being held in inhumane, dangerous conditions? You understand that the heat the article is talking about is more than just unpleasant/uncomfortable, right? That it's actually dangerous?

Also, quite a lot of prisoners are on remand, I.e. awaiting trial and so technically innocent—even if you are happy for convicted inmates to succumb to heat stroke, do you also think remand prisoners should be made to suffer? No smoke without fire? I guess we'll just move on from all that "innocent until proven guilty" bollocks then...

Again, easy to say until you’re in that situation. It was a split second panic that had awful consequences. A dad who wanted to protect his son and a son who was totally traumatised and in shock. People aren’t perfect.

I think it’s a bit weird to read and article and think NO SYMPATHY.

they’re not actually asking for your sympathy are they?

We’re all only a short serious of events or bad fortune away from prison.

This!

And obviously they do, as you would know if you’d visited any school hospital or prison

Oh, give over 🙄
The overwhelming majority of us are absolutely not.

If we treat people like animals, they behave like animals.

The sentence is incarceration. Not heatstroke, heart attacks and illness.

YABU

Yeah, you could eorkn Sainsbury's instead of being a warder.

I would bring back the treadmill. Prison is too soft, that's why so many reoffend.

Obviously only a very tiny portion of any population ever ends up in prison.

but a lot of them are normal people who made a bad decision.

98% of all prisoners have suffered at least one of the Adverse Childhood Experiences. Neurodivergent individuals are very over represented in arrests and convictions especially ADHD.

You try living with serious childhood problems and never making any adult mistakes. Yes, not everyone who has a hard life ends up in prison but people in prison have very likely had hard lives. Nobody reading this is one jot of a better person than the average inmate -some.of us just had way way more chances. I'm no better than people in prison.

Oh yeah and money. If you have enough money you can cushion yourself against mistakes in ways that many people can't. So you'd need to understand desperation too.

57% of women in prison have suffered domestic violence.

Supporting a carceral system is pretty distasteful at the best of times - at the very best, we should consider it a rather horrid necessary evil until we have sorted many many more of the root causes of social problems. And for those who are personally victims of criminals there is a need for redress and restoration.

But being a person who say yay I am glad the baddies are so hot it amounts to torture - that doesn't shed a great light on you as a human.

Depends on what you want from prison: punishment or rehabilitation.

One gives you the sensation of "fairness", but releases prisoners who will are more likely to reoffend. The other gives the impression of prisoners getting away easy, but releases people who much less likely to reoffend.

Interesting that England is playing norway tonight. Compare their prison systems. Norway focuses on treating prisoners humanily and on rehabilitation. The average uk citizen would be horrified at the leniency of their living conditions. However, they have a reoffending rate of 20% compared to just under 40% for the uk. (Uk has one of the highest rates and norway the lowest rates for western europe.)

I have sympathy for prisoners during a heatwave. Treat people like animals and they are more likely to act like animals.

no, it's really not how it works 😂

you obviously have not!

the conditions in some of the schools and hospitals are unacceptable and thats' despite the staff working their hardest to make it bearable

That's not why

As part of the incentive scheme, those who behave can buy fans from Argos. Might depend on the category of prison, or in some cases, the age of the infrastructure.

You should look at Monaco prison, they do care about the welfare of the staff working, warden don't deserve to have the worst work environment.

Inmates being a bit hot on the other hand.. they're not building roads in the midday sun in this country, are they? Or am I missing something 😂

if someone was setting up a go-fund-me for having removed a paedophile from the world, I would probably consider contributing to his fan.