AIBU to have little sympathy for prisoners during the heatwave?

[PenelopeJoanSterling]

Metro article about prisoners and the heatwave, but if they behaved they would not be in prison ?

Im all for caring for humanity as a whole, but in terms of prisoners they did commit crimes and get locked up.

miscarriage of justice , by who's standards ?

Another thought. If you actually care about victims of crime, you should be campaigning for more money to be put into the courts and criminal justice system, as well as making prisons function properly to reduce reoffending. It’s a fucking travesty how long a rape victim, for example, has to wait for her case to come to trial.

Your rationale and reasoning is not always the same as everyone else. Do you think people who are mentally unstable don’t go to prison? Do you think they go to a flowery secure caring mental health facility? You want them baking in sweltering temperatures. I highly doubt that you are interested in reforming or rehabilitation of the prisoners or providing decent mental health care.

Amnesty international for one

i never said i had the solutions but its been a good debate with you all

No, I think for a debate to be good both sides need to be on reasonably the same intellectual level.

Yes. It is all about money. Fighting for new prisons to be built. Finance the system so prisoners don’t keep passing through the revolving doors, counsellors for the prisoners who want to change. It would save money in the long run and spare victims.

i try to view things from the view of the intelligence services and protecting the country and whats the best for the public even if the methods are not exactly regulation

Your sentences don’t even make sense.

hows this ;

Protecting the public from dangerous criminals often requires an approach that prioritizes national security and the collective good. This perspective emphasizes actionable prevention and strategic disruption—even if that means operating in the gray areas of regulation and traditional criminal justice processes.
The reasoning for this approach is based on the following principles:

• Prevention Over Prosecution: Traditional law enforcement is primarily reactive, focusing on investigating a crime after it happens. An intelligence-led approach focuses on identifying threats before they manifest, aiming to neutralize criminal networks through proactive disruption rather than waiting for evidence that secures a conviction in court.
• Strategic Security: Intelligence agencies are generally tasked with countering threats to national security, such as serious and organized crime, state threats, and terrorism. Protecting the country often demands covert methods and asymmetric tactics that standard policing regulations cannot accommodate.
• The "Greater Good": While rules and oversight frameworks (like the UK's Investigatory Powers Act) are vital for maintaining civil liberties, there is a belief among some practitioners that extreme or systemic threats to society sometimes justify utilizing methods beyond standard operational procedures to ensure the wider public remains safe.

now tell me why protecting society the way they do is wrong ?

Mistake lol. A choice.
You think some of our prisoners like Jamie Varley, Wayne Couzens aren't bad people?????

Ok, just stating my opinion on heatwave bit, not getting into a political argument

I don’t engage with people who use AI to make their points for them.

i did try to write it normally but that was not good enough for you, so i had to use assistance to help make my point and that was the point i was tring to make and strictly speaking i put that into google and used whatever you call it that google uses.

and a great way to avoid my point.

do you remember "Your sentences don’t even make sense."
so i tryed to write in a better way for use to debate and discuss

ill admit my error, i was taking it political without meaning too

I expected YOU to make the effort. Not to turn to AI, because it just means you can’t debate effectively

It’s a shame because it’s a genuinely fascinating debate, but it’s a hard one to have with someone who doesn’t understand the fundamentals of it.

It’s a shame that more people aren’t familiar with Aesops fable where the mice vote to put a bell on the cat. The plan is abandoned when no volunteer comes forward to do it.

in case this isn’t self explanatory, and this thread leads me to think it may not be, yes of course Joe Public would vote for capital punishment.

First you would need medics involved to facilitate the process. They would not. If you could find a willing medic or decided to dispense with any medical supervision you would then need an executioner to step up to do it. of course there would be bravado and cries of I’d pull the trigger myself but ultimately most would
not. Then there’s the whole supply chain for machinery, drugs, most companies don’t want to touch this. Then there is the trial and jury - many would consciously object or be more conservative in conviction. And there we have it, without even a thought for morality or the risk of unfair conviction, that cat remains without a bell.

Agree but I wouldn’t keep dogs in a hot car, it’s cruel. I don’t believe in torture.

then its trail by judges which for many cases i believe is already been discussed in the uk,

as for the bell yes i get it, but if its for the greater good etc then in principle thats the same with the military they are trained to neutralise the enemy, so train the right people, as for the equipment if uk does not have viable companies then im guessing like the arms trade there will be one or another country willing to sell their services and machines and equipment

So you want taxpayers money to go to paying foreign doctors to kill people, as opposed to fixing our NHS?

Wow.

You may find an entire judicial system unwilling to partake. To ‘train the right person’
you need the volunteer to begin with. Importing goods still requires companies to cooperate and an infrastructure to support in the UK. All these factors contributed to the abolition of the death penalty and are reasons for delay in countries that still do have it. That cat still has no bell.

did i say any of that and if i did could you please quote me directly otherwise wow on your assuming you know what my thoughts are