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To think that Kier Starmer shouldn't be welcoming extremists into Britain?

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Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:14

Reported in The Telegraph today that Sir Keir Starmer has welcomed an alleged Islamist extremist, who labelled British people “dogs and monkeys” and called for Zionists to be killed, into the UK.

The Prime Minister said he was “delighted” that Alaa Abd el-Fattah had arrived from Egypt on Friday evening after a travel ban imposed by Cairo was lifted following lobbying by ministers.

Mr Abd el-Fattah, an activist with dual British-Egyptian citizenship, previously said that it was heroic to kill Zionists “including civilians”. He urged Londoners to burn Downing Street, told his supporters to kill police and said he hated white people.

Ministers are facing calls to revoke his British citizenship, which he was granted in 2021 while imprisoned in Egypt, where campaigners described him as a “prisoner of conscience”.

Sir Keir’s tweet yesterday said how “delighted” he was that Alaa Abd El-Fattah is back in this country. Does that seem a reasonable stance to take for someone who has claimed at the same time to be committed to "eradicating antisemitism in the UK"?

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Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:19

The Prime Minister wrote on X: “I’m delighted that Alaa Abd El-Fattah is back in the UK and has been reunited with his loved ones, who must be feeling profound relief.”

But it emerged that, in a series of now deleted posts on X dating back more than a decade, Mr Abd el-Fattah repeatedly expressed his desire to “kill” Zionists and has also urged his supporters to kill “all police”.

In posts circulating on social media on Saturday, he said he considered it “heroic” to kill “any colonialists and specially Zionists”, adding: “We need to kill more of them.”

He also denied that the Holocaust took place, writing in 2010 that “there was no genocide against Jews by the Nazis – after all, many Jews are left”.
In 2010 he wrote: “So the brilliant British dogs and monkeys really think terrorists will reveal their plans on Twitter.”

In a series of tweets from his account, posted between 2008 and 2010, he heaped praise on Osama Bin Laden, the founder of al-Qaeda and mastermind of the Sept 11 terror attacks on the US.

He expressed his intention to “join Bin Laden” on five separate occasions, saying in one post: “Now all I can think of is joining Bin Laden and killing a few Americans.”

The following year, he declared that “police are not human”, adding: “They don’t have rights, we should just kill them all.”

In a separate post he wrote: “I’m telling you that I hate white people.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/12/27/starmer-welcomes-egyptian-extremist-into-uk/

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user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:22

People like Yaxley Lennon, who seems to spend most of his time abroad, on his supporters dime?

Or just people you don't approve of?

Hriou · 27/12/2025 20:24

I agree with you. Can anyone explain why our politicians act in a way that is so clearly against our national self-interest? What advantage is there to us as a country to welcome these people? The men who were arrested for planning a massive terror attack recently were from North Africa and Syria I think. When I read about people like that I just wonder, why were they even here?

Notwellbell · 27/12/2025 20:25

Yanbu, I agree with you, it’s an insane thing for the prime minister to tweet out, ridiculous

Hriou · 27/12/2025 20:26

user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:22

People like Yaxley Lennon, who seems to spend most of his time abroad, on his supporters dime?

Or just people you don't approve of?

The point is about allowing foreign nationals who do not share British values and sometimes even actively hate them, to become British. Obviously we have plenty of our own bad apples to contend with but it's a disingenuous deflection to say that because some British people are bad, we should let in more bad people from elsewhere.

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:26

Yaxley Lennon or Tommy Robinson is also an extremist who I don't "approve of" to use your words.

Do you really think that Alaa Abd El-Fattah should be welcomed into Britain? He hates white people so I'm ok with saying No he shouldn't be in my opinion.

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Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:28

Notwellbell · 27/12/2025 20:25

Yanbu, I agree with you, it’s an insane thing for the prime minister to tweet out, ridiculous

I feel like he has lost the plot over this.

I voted Labour and have defended Kier Starmer many times, while having to agree that he lacks charisma etc. But this? This is unforgivable.

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user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:30

@Twiglets1 I have no opinion on the person you're talking about.

I do, however have an opinion on people like Yaxley Lennon and thought we might have a commen cause - people we don't want in this country.

Three4 · 27/12/2025 20:32

user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:22

People like Yaxley Lennon, who seems to spend most of his time abroad, on his supporters dime?

Or just people you don't approve of?

Has he threatened to kill anyone? There’s a difference between not liking someone, and then being a maniac extremist.

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:38

user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:30

@Twiglets1 I have no opinion on the person you're talking about.

I do, however have an opinion on people like Yaxley Lennon and thought we might have a commen cause - people we don't want in this country.

I would prefer to not have either of them in the country but this thread is about Alaa Abd El-Fattah.

I'm quite surprised you have no opinion on someone as extreme as he is entering the UK, especially given the rise in antisemitism across the world. But I guess that's the purpose of the poll, to see how many others see this as an outrageous thing for Kier Starmer to tweet.

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Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:42

Ah yes, the extremist who proudly boasts he hates white people. Well his views on Jews are perfectly clear, so why not be boastful about being a racist. Starmer gets it wrong, yet again. Frightening. Starmer welcoming a filthy dangerous racist. Not so different to Corbyn after all.

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:43

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:42

Ah yes, the extremist who proudly boasts he hates white people. Well his views on Jews are perfectly clear, so why not be boastful about being a racist. Starmer gets it wrong, yet again. Frightening. Starmer welcoming a filthy dangerous racist. Not so different to Corbyn after all.

Who am I supposed to vote for now? 😭

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Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:43

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:38

I would prefer to not have either of them in the country but this thread is about Alaa Abd El-Fattah.

I'm quite surprised you have no opinion on someone as extreme as he is entering the UK, especially given the rise in antisemitism across the world. But I guess that's the purpose of the poll, to see how many others see this as an outrageous thing for Kier Starmer to tweet.

Well that whataboutery didn't take her long🙄

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:46

user1471453601 · 27/12/2025 20:30

@Twiglets1 I have no opinion on the person you're talking about.

I do, however have an opinion on people like Yaxley Lennon and thought we might have a commen cause - people we don't want in this country.

I hope you're not white because the subject of this thread proudly hates you. I know I certainly have opinions on ALL racists. Why don't you?

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:46

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:43

Well that whataboutery didn't take her long🙄

No ... also about 13% so far think IABU in suggesting it's not a reasonable stance for KS to take, considering he is also supposedly committed to "eradicating antisemitism in the UK".

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MissyB1 · 27/12/2025 20:46

Well he welcomed the Israeli president into Downing Street, a president of a Country carrying out a genocide, so make of that what you will 🤷‍♀️

Alltheunreadbooks · 27/12/2025 20:47

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:42

Ah yes, the extremist who proudly boasts he hates white people. Well his views on Jews are perfectly clear, so why not be boastful about being a racist. Starmer gets it wrong, yet again. Frightening. Starmer welcoming a filthy dangerous racist. Not so different to Corbyn after all.

"Filthy".

That kind of insult is commonly used by people who hate all Arabs.

Talk about a thread that's going nowhere ..

PandoraSocks · 27/12/2025 20:47

Are the tweets attributed to Alaa Abd el-Fattah genuine? Have they only just come to light? MPs, including Tory and Lib Dems, have expressed support for him in the past and raised his case in the House. Did they know of the tweets at the time?

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:47

MissyB1 · 27/12/2025 20:46

Well he welcomed the Israeli president into Downing Street, a president of a Country carrying out a genocide, so make of that what you will 🤷‍♀️

Whatabout whatabout

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:47

MissyB1 · 27/12/2025 20:46

Well he welcomed the Israeli president into Downing Street, a president of a Country carrying out a genocide, so make of that what you will 🤷‍♀️

More whataboutery ... just try to stay on topic as we're only on the first page.

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Thisismadness · 27/12/2025 20:48

Is it still considered ‘funny’ to spell Keir as Kier or is that a genuine typo? Hard to know sometimes

Twiglets1 · 27/12/2025 20:48

Alltheunreadbooks · 27/12/2025 20:47

"Filthy".

That kind of insult is commonly used by people who hate all Arabs.

Talk about a thread that's going nowhere ..

All racists are filthy I think most non racists would agree.

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Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:49

PandoraSocks · 27/12/2025 20:47

Are the tweets attributed to Alaa Abd el-Fattah genuine? Have they only just come to light? MPs, including Tory and Lib Dems, have expressed support for him in the past and raised his case in the House. Did they know of the tweets at the time?

Maybe they did. So they were as inept as Starmer. I thought the main crux was about the extremist but no, as per, the derailment comes.

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:49

Alltheunreadbooks · 27/12/2025 20:47

"Filthy".

That kind of insult is commonly used by people who hate all Arabs.

Talk about a thread that's going nowhere ..

That's all you're worried about?

PandoraSocks · 27/12/2025 20:51

Kingscallops · 27/12/2025 20:49

Maybe they did. So they were as inept as Starmer. I thought the main crux was about the extremist but no, as per, the derailment comes.

I am not derailing. I am genuinely asking a question about the issue under discussion.