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To think most men are filthy losers

810 replies

fightbackorriseabove · 07/09/2025 18:05

I'm going through the menopause, so have a low libido at the moment, which might explain my disgust. I don't know. I didn't use to be a prude, but I'm feeling more and more annoyed these days by men and their general behaviour.

I have a few male friends who, to varying degrees, always manage to slip in an innuendo or even an outright sexual remark. And out of politeness, or not wanting to cause a scene, I smile or roll my eyes in jest. I can only think of one occasion when I told a bloke to stop, and he REALLY took the hump. This was a married man who pursued me, but then said he was just joking and that I took myself too seriously. In fact, he got very angry.

I have lots of personal issues at the moment. Mad stuff. One of these issues lead to me googling my ex.

Well, the filth I found was disturbing. Men, thousands of them, masturbating online. I can only think they're doing it in front of each other. Becsuse there can't be many women wanting to sit and watch them. Surely? My ex was one of them.

I'm not talking about Only Fans where people pay. I'm talking about sex webcam stuff where men seem to just be filming themselves wanking. And watching each other. I don't even think it's gay. These are heterosexual men doing it for free. All ages.

Maybe I'm naïve.

But it's been a real eye opener for me.

I always knew men watched porn. But sitting there filming themselves and watching each other. It's madness.

I really do think that we, as women, spend our time worrying, working, caring, thinking, planning... and men just do the stuff thry have to do and then go back to messing with themselves or pestering women. Including their wives. And they keep having to up the limit because they can't get excited uness it's something really vile.

How many of us have felt obliged to have sex with a man, a partner, to avoid his anger, sulking, grumpiness. We've chosen sex as the lesser of two evils when we didn't want it.

It's not a human right, is it? They need to calm the fuck down.

Maybe I'm being unreasonable and grumpy, but I just think most of them ming.

OP posts:
stayathomer · 07/09/2025 23:45

fightbackorriseabove

I don’t know what to say- a lot of them make it difficult but just hopefully x

fightbackorriseabove · 07/09/2025 23:45

TrishM80 · 07/09/2025 23:34

Seriously, why don't all the manhaters just become lesbians and set up their own island somewhere?! They tried it in Finland a few years ago.

I don't want to do that. Well, the island bit sounds good. One day, when my daughter has grown up, I'd quite like to find a good one. Like I've said, I do know good men. I just don't feel like most men are good.

OP posts:
fightbackorriseabove · 07/09/2025 23:47

thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 23:44

Right. I keep hearing this bizarre, illogical comparison on mumsnet. Some women really are other women's worst enemy.

Comparing men to other demographics simply does not work because men ALREADY incorporate ALL other demographics as do women. Women and men are the only two demographics which can never and do never incorporate one another's demograpic.

Men/women stand completely alone as a demographic as two halves of the human race, each containing all other demographic traits - race, age, etc - within their groups. They are NOT isolated categories like race or class, rendering the comparison of the group "men" with the group "race" absolutely meaningless.

And furthermore men as a sex class have been irrefutably proven throughout our entire recorded history and in all cultures and geographies to be dangerous to women as a sex class.

No other demographic - religion, race, age, class, ethnicity, or culture - shows a comparable, consistent pattern of danger towards women as a group.

I am sick of this illogical nonsense by women who throw other under the bus to gain male cookies.

LOVE THIS!!!

OP posts:
TrishM80 · 07/09/2025 23:53

fightbackorriseabove · 07/09/2025 23:45

I don't want to do that. Well, the island bit sounds good. One day, when my daughter has grown up, I'd quite like to find a good one. Like I've said, I do know good men. I just don't feel like most men are good.

There are certainly a lot of posters on this thread who'd seem happier on Lesbian Island!

lavendermilkshake · 07/09/2025 23:55

TrishM80 · 07/09/2025 23:34

Seriously, why don't all the manhaters just become lesbians and set up their own island somewhere?! They tried it in Finland a few years ago.

We get it. Not your Nigel.

jbm16 · 07/09/2025 23:57

thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 23:44

Right. I keep hearing this bizarre, illogical comparison on mumsnet. Some women really are other women's worst enemy.

Comparing men to other demographics simply does not work because men ALREADY incorporate ALL other demographics as do women. Women and men are the only two demographics which can never and do never incorporate one another's demograpic.

Men/women stand completely alone as a demographic as two halves of the human race, each containing all other demographic traits - race, age, etc - within their groups. They are NOT isolated categories like race or class, rendering the comparison of the group "men" with the group "race" absolutely meaningless.

And furthermore men as a sex class have been irrefutably proven throughout our entire recorded history and in all cultures and geographies to be dangerous to women as a sex class.

No other demographic - religion, race, age, class, ethnicity, or culture - shows a comparable, consistent pattern of danger towards women as a group.

I am sick of this illogical nonsense by women who throw other under the bus to gain male cookies.

Gosh, you really don't like men... post after post of the same rhetoric.

thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 23:58

jbm16 · 07/09/2025 23:57

Gosh, you really don't like men... post after post of the same rhetoric.

Gosh, you really are delusional, and have nothing relevant to say. Good for you though that you've got a hobby - making things up and talking shit to strangers :)

fightbackorriseabove · 08/09/2025 00:02

TrishM80 · 07/09/2025 23:53

There are certainly a lot of posters on this thread who'd seem happier on Lesbian Island!

You'd have to be a bit of a lesbian, though, wouldn't you?

I suppose I could be a bit of one after a couple of shandies.

Thanks for the suggestion. Finland, was it?

OP posts:
TrishM80 · 08/09/2025 00:28

fightbackorriseabove · 08/09/2025 00:02

You'd have to be a bit of a lesbian, though, wouldn't you?

I suppose I could be a bit of one after a couple of shandies.

Thanks for the suggestion. Finland, was it?

Only lasted a few years before they sold it to some bloke, apparently.

Moonmelodies · 08/09/2025 00:28

Imagine saying this about people of one particular race, due to having a few bad experiences.

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 00:30

Negroany · 07/09/2025 23:17

Hmm....almost like men aren't an oppressed group, isn't it?

Almost like you think men aren't a load of individuals rather than an amorphous blob of manhood.

Yeah, a small percentage do bad stuff. This small percentage is greater than the small percentage of women that do bad stuff. But if you crash your car will it be a man or a woman most likely to cut you out? How about if a nutter tries to kick your door down at 3am? Will it likely be a load of women turn up? Rescue you from a burning building? What about if a terrorist attack/hostage situation occurs?

In aggregate, men save more women's lives than they take. People like you just take the good stuff for granted because you know the men will sort it.

TrishM80 · 08/09/2025 00:31

lavendermilkshake · 07/09/2025 23:55

We get it. Not your Nigel.

So, why don't you set up a women's only island and you wouldn't have to deal with "Nigel" (mine or otherwise)?! 😂

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 00:34

Moonmelodies · 08/09/2025 00:28

Imagine saying this about people of one particular race, due to having a few bad experiences.

Indeed. You only have to look at recent threads to see how the same posters get their knickers in a twist when somebody suggests that 1200 sexual assaults committed in one night by foreign nationals and asylum seekers might be an indication that there is some cultural misogyny going on in middle eastern cultures.

Negroany · 08/09/2025 00:57

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 00:30

Almost like you think men aren't a load of individuals rather than an amorphous blob of manhood.

Yeah, a small percentage do bad stuff. This small percentage is greater than the small percentage of women that do bad stuff. But if you crash your car will it be a man or a woman most likely to cut you out? How about if a nutter tries to kick your door down at 3am? Will it likely be a load of women turn up? Rescue you from a burning building? What about if a terrorist attack/hostage situation occurs?

In aggregate, men save more women's lives than they take. People like you just take the good stuff for granted because you know the men will sort it.

I think you must have quoted the wrong person, nothing in your reply relates to my post in the slightest.

thebabayaga2025 · 08/09/2025 00:58

thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 23:44

Right. I keep hearing this bizarre, illogical comparison on mumsnet. Some women really are other women's worst enemy.

Comparing men to other demographics simply does not work because men ALREADY incorporate ALL other demographics as do women. Women and men are the only two demographics which can never and do never incorporate one another's demograpic.

Men/women stand completely alone as a demographic as two halves of the human race, each containing all other demographic traits - race, age, etc - within their groups. They are NOT isolated categories like race or class, rendering the comparison of the group "men" with the group "race" absolutely meaningless.

And furthermore men as a sex class have been irrefutably proven throughout our entire recorded history and in all cultures and geographies to be dangerous to women as a sex class.

No other demographic - religion, race, age, class, ethnicity, or culture - shows a comparable, consistent pattern of danger towards women as a group.

I am sick of this illogical nonsense by women who throw other under the bus to gain male cookies.

Just leaving this here for the hard of thinking manpanderers.

Men commit 98% of all violent crime.

Nobody is saying ALL men, stop pretending otherwise. Men as a group are however a provable, observable risk to women as a group (and to other men) in ways that women are simply not.

Source - the entire history of humanity.

This cannot be argued. Anyone who tries to do so is a) demented or b) a liar

Checkcheckout · 08/09/2025 00:59

At first I took offence because my partner of 5 years is absolutely lovely, and so respectful. But then I remembered that pretty much any man I was involved with prior to him was as you describe. I got incredibly lucky with the one I have.

Negroany · 08/09/2025 01:01

thebabayaga2025 · 07/09/2025 23:44

Right. I keep hearing this bizarre, illogical comparison on mumsnet. Some women really are other women's worst enemy.

Comparing men to other demographics simply does not work because men ALREADY incorporate ALL other demographics as do women. Women and men are the only two demographics which can never and do never incorporate one another's demograpic.

Men/women stand completely alone as a demographic as two halves of the human race, each containing all other demographic traits - race, age, etc - within their groups. They are NOT isolated categories like race or class, rendering the comparison of the group "men" with the group "race" absolutely meaningless.

And furthermore men as a sex class have been irrefutably proven throughout our entire recorded history and in all cultures and geographies to be dangerous to women as a sex class.

No other demographic - religion, race, age, class, ethnicity, or culture - shows a comparable, consistent pattern of danger towards women as a group.

I am sick of this illogical nonsense by women who throw other under the bus to gain male cookies.

Another whose post doesn't really make sense as a response to mine. Hey ho.

thebabayaga2025 · 08/09/2025 01:11

@Checkcheckout Right. My husband is awesome, my adult son is a good, respectful man, my first husband was not, nearly every man I dated prior to him was anything but awesome. The reality is that many men are exactly as the OP describes. I don't know if it's "most" but it's enough for us to note and refuse to pretend that we don't see the patterns.

converseandjeans · 08/09/2025 01:21

The Gisele Pelicot case was a real eye opener in terms of what ‘normal’ men are prepared to do if they can stay anonymous.

There’s loads of old pervs on TikTok & Insta following & commenting on young girls posts & another one comments ‘red card - call the ref’ as if it’s a big joke.

All those young girls brought over & used as prostitutes.

Bonnie Blue has literally hundreds in a day - one after the other & they are all naked together all round her.

The rise of women being choked - I mean when did that become mainstream?

It’s interesting how even the ones who are ‘woke’ can’t cope unless they are getting the attention they want.

Maybe it’s an age thing - hit 50 & see the flaws.

Harry12345 · 08/09/2025 01:22

I remember reading an article about the most common search on porn sites was barely legal and sister or mum and daughter stuff, absolutely grim and could not imagine woman looking up that stuff

Crazyworldmum · 08/09/2025 01:32

I see lots of bad stuff about men daily at work but no I don’t think all men are filthy loosers . There are good men out there . I’m lucky enough to be married with one too .

cannyvalley · 08/09/2025 01:45

itainthalfcold · 07/09/2025 22:27

YANBU…

In my friend group we have had the following situations over the past ten years…

Friend A - thought her DH was having an affair so looked in his brief case one night. It was full of porn dvds. He was also having an affair and they split up.

Friend B - She found out he was sharing what she thought were private sex videos of her online and getting paid for them. He convinced her he had been hacked and they’re still together.

Friend C - bought a new iPhone after being on android for years and signed in to the family Apple ID they’d set up. Ended up seeing tons of messages including photos and videos between him and another woman. Split up.

Friend D - works in family business with her DH (only those two work there with one other female assistant) Was cleaning the office loo and found sticky porn mags hidden behind a cupboard.

Friend E - Split with her husband after admitting that he had been coercing her into sex for years every time he’d been drinking.

Acquaintance F - her DH has had numerous affairs inc when she was pregnant. Plays at being Mr happy family man all week but goes out taking coke every weekend and messing around with anyone who’ll have him (he’s a work colleague and I’ve seen him in action)

These are all outwardly respectable, professional men with families. They don’t have “I’m a mucky little weasel” stamped on their forehead.

I think the ‘I’m a mucky little weasel’ stamp should be an actual thing!!!!

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 01:48

thebabayaga2025 · 08/09/2025 00:58

Just leaving this here for the hard of thinking manpanderers.

Men commit 98% of all violent crime.

Nobody is saying ALL men, stop pretending otherwise. Men as a group are however a provable, observable risk to women as a group (and to other men) in ways that women are simply not.

Source - the entire history of humanity.

This cannot be argued. Anyone who tries to do so is a) demented or b) a liar

Edited

Manpanderers. Hmm

You do realise that women commit the majority of child abuse, right? Not 98% but still pretty shocking considering we're supposedly the ones with the maternal instinct. But the percentage is irrelevant in a way because we've no way of knowing which women we can trust around children. It's like the 'one poisoned sweet in the bowl' analogy.

The reality is that most us don't view the world in terms of male/female. A Jewish woman will identify more with a Jewish man over a Muslim woman in most cases. Similarly, a female antifa probs wouldn't feel much sisterhood with a female Reform voter.

For the majority of women the person they trust the most is a man. Usually their partner or husband. Statistically most women nowadays reject feminism in favour of 'equality' or 'egalitarianism'. Because let's be honest, any poor bloke whose fortune was in the hands of some of the posters ITT would have good reason to be worried!

GingerPower · 08/09/2025 01:56

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usedtobeaylis · 08/09/2025 02:01

I don't have very much time for men in general. I am often repulsed by them. As far as 'good ones' go, out of all the men I've been close to in my life, from family to friends to boyfriends, they are few and far between.