To be disgusted at the talks between Russia and the US

[SunnyDayInFeb]

So Russia and the US are meeting in Saudia Arabia to carve up Ukraine.

And Ukraine, whose people have been fighting and dying since their country was invaded, haven't even been invited to the table.

It's like we are back in the 19th century with the European colonial powers drawing lines on a map to divide Africa between them.

This is really uncalled for btw

Why is it uncalled for? It’s pretty clear Trump’s a Russian asset.

No it isn’t.

You’ve rocked up as an American to insult our country, luxuriate in your country’s new ill gotten gains, and go on and on about how irrelevant everyone else it to you.

Yet here you are.

Who are the ones making personal attacks? Implying I’m some Russian bot?

I think you should actually approach this in the spirit of debate. All this abuse just for saying I don’t want any American money or support to go to this war, and that I don’t think Europe has the means nor even the kind of patriotic spirit to support such a thing themselves.

It’s not that controversial!

Yep. Bought and paid for. Putin has just been waiting for the right moment to activate him.

Yet you dragged us into the Iraq war, never gave us a penny, whereas we had to repay you for WW2 until 2006.

DARVO all the way.

As for the patriotic spirit, here’s a great pic. Somebody’s missing, who is it? Ah well, forgotten his name..

I think you should stop approaching this here altogether. You’re just being provocative and we’re being stupid enough to bite.

I haven't accused you of being a bot. That is a deleting offence on MN.

As for your nationality, well none of us know that for sure about each other, do we? I could be typing this from Moscow for all anyone knows.

I don’t want any American money or support to go to this war

But that is exactly what your country signed up to-the protection of Ukraine.

I’ve been pretty clear that the 2nd Gulf War was an absolute disaster and you should not have joined in that madness. GWB was the worst president (in my living history anyway) for that alone.

I actually remember then that to say you were anti-war would get you relentlessly attacked in the US. I’m getting similar vibes now tbh

I actually remember then that to say you were anti-war would get you relentlessly attacked in the US. I’m getting similar vibes now tbh

I thought you said that the mood in the USA was anti-war at the moment? Are you saying that is not the case now?

Luckily for us in the UK we can freely express anti-war opinions, as evidenced by the massive protests against the second Gulf war.

Getting those vibes in the UK, to clarify. It feels like America in those days.

American opinion has shifted, maybe because of the reality of that war. (I went to high school with someone who committed suicide a few years after coming home from the war, others died deaths of despair, maybe related)

I don't think anyone in the UK wants or expects this to end up in war. Where in the UK are you?

Eta: your posts are getting quite confusing. On one hand you say the people of the UK wouldn't fight for their countries. Now you are saying that people in the UK are being shouted down if they are anti-war.

Hmm.

@RingoJuice i think a fairly recent survey showed that only 11% of brits would be prepared to fight.
It would be interesting to see if that 11% were the GB news types who everyone sneers at!
( ps I don’t watch gb news)

Plenty of what we call chicken hawks around

Bone spurs, wasn't it 🍊

Not great. Didn’t affect my vote tho. But conscription shouldn’t have been used for a pointless war like Vietnam.

Well unfortunately things are working out even worse than I thought they would when I started this thread.

Wait until Iran joins the party.

As they will.

So America is now with Russian, North Korea, Israel and soon Iran.

It's like a whose who of dick heads and war mongers.

A. It doesn't serve your own interests. Certainly not in the long term.

B. Why should anyone be bothered about what you think if you care only about youself?

C. You seem to post about it a lot given that you don't care.

Should also keep in mind that Vietnam
was supposedly justified on the domino theory, which is being recycled as a reason why you should care about Ukraine.

Oh ffs What's happened now, Sunny?

I cannot believe Trump and his cronies have delivered the West to Putin on a silver platter.

I can well believe it. Putin is everything Trump admires.

USA cared about Ukraine until your Putin-bot President was activated.

😅