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Ghislaine Maxwell.....

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Livelovebehappy · 30/12/2021 07:20

Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of grooming young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Whilst she absolutely was guilty of aiding the abuse of these girls, shouldn’t there now be investigations into the high profile men who were clearly involved in the abuse? Clinton and Trump, as well as a Prince Andrew were clearly very close to Epstein, and there have been rumours of many other famous people being around at the time. I actually think Epstein’s death was suspect, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his death had been staged to protect some high profile men from being exposed. Maxwell has definitely taken the fall for a lot of people who should have been in the dock with her.

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Noshowlomo · 30/12/2021 07:27

She deserves to be in jail but so do the elites and men involved. She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny

sjxoxo · 30/12/2021 07:29

She’s not the scapegoat imo - she is guilty of participating. Yes they should all be investigated; the whole thing is sickening. She is a bizarre character who is a product of the elite lifestyle she has lived but she’s guilty none the less. It’s the ultimate example of rich and powerful men doing what the F they want with zero consequences. Xo

girlmom21 · 30/12/2021 07:33

Lots of them will be investigated, but they need evidence and witnesses.

That's why Prince Andrew is being investigated, because people are willing to speak out.

Let's be honest, I'm surprised Maxwell is still alive. If she starts mentioning the 'wrong' names, she won't be for long.

Missey85 · 30/12/2021 07:38

I hope she dies in prison for what she did! She lured young girls off to be raped she got what she deserved

mirandasnobs · 30/12/2021 07:40

She's not a scapegoat. She was heavily involved in procuring and trafficking women for sex alongside Epstein

However, it's outrageous that the men who had non consensual sex with these underaged girls should not pay any consequences either

I don't expect it will happen thougj

Sirzy · 30/12/2021 07:43

She isn’t a scapegoat at all. Presumably to say that you haven’t heard anything of her level of involvement?

And yes if their is solid evidence then anyone else involved should be investigated and face trial too.

Simonjt · 30/12/2021 07:48

@Noshowlomo

She deserves to be in jail but so do the elites and men involved. She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny
You can’t be both guilty of a crime and be a scapegoat for the same crime.

One of the key criminals has only not been arrested because mummy is protecting him.

TrishM80 · 30/12/2021 07:49

@Noshowlomo

She deserves to be in jail but so do the elites and men involved. She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny
Finding Maxwell guilty of her crimes "reeks of misogyny"? Confused
sparklemagicsnow · 30/12/2021 08:04

She's not a scapegoat! Just because she's a woman. She's a criminal, and let's hope she's the first in a long line of people involved in this awful thing to go to prison for a long time.

noworklifebalance · 30/12/2021 08:13

@Noshowlomo

She deserves to be in jail but so do the elites and men involved. She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny
Definitely not a scapegoat and definitely not misogyny. Epstein was arrested, tried and convicted before she was. She is very much guilty of all 5 charges that she was convicted of and probably many many more.
noworklifebalance · 30/12/2021 08:15

She used the fact that she was a woman to gain the trust of these girls and bring the to Epstein and other men.

Noshowlomo · 30/12/2021 08:16

Ok, I worded it wrong. Scapegoat was the wrong word but it seems ALL the guilt is on her… there are many men who will get away with everything. She fully deserves her jail time.

girlmom21 · 30/12/2021 08:18

@Noshowlomo

Ok, I worded it wrong. Scapegoat was the wrong word but it seems ALL the guilt is on her… there are many men who will get away with everything. She fully deserves her jail time.
That's because she's the one on trial. She's the one they needed to prove guilty. She's the one guilty of her crimes.
BarkminsterBlue · 30/12/2021 08:18

I can only imagine she must have a lot of incriminating evidence which could prosecute the men involved if she chose to divulge it. I wonder if she will.

Newyearoldyou · 30/12/2021 08:20

Your mixing two issues by saying "she took the fall".

She didn't take the fall, she was rightly convicted of her part in an abuse ring.

The men who took advantage of that ring also need investigating including, our own Prince Andrew.

DingleyDel · 30/12/2021 08:20

@BarkminsterBlue

I can only imagine she must have a lot of incriminating evidence which could prosecute the men involved if she chose to divulge it. I wonder if she will.
I bet she won’t because that would be the right thing to do and the woman has absolutely no morals whatsoever.
Simonjt · 30/12/2021 08:23

@Noshowlomo

Ok, I worded it wrong. Scapegoat was the wrong word but it seems ALL the guilt is on her… there are many men who will get away with everything. She fully deserves her jail time.
Well yes of course all the guilt for her crime is on her, who else would it be on?
BarkminsterBlue · 30/12/2021 08:24

She may be offered a deal to mitigate her sentence.

Sirzy · 30/12/2021 08:25

@noworklifebalance

She used the fact that she was a woman to gain the trust of these girls and bring the to Epstein and other men.
Exactly.

One of the parents has said if it had been a man inviting her daughter around to the house she would have said no but because she was there she thought nothing of it.

She played on the fact that people often trust women more and used that to get what she wanted.

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 08:26

Obviously not defending her but seems to be the nearest woman who is “staff” who carries the can for the greater crimes committed by more senior men - see also Allegra Stratton 🙄

Noshowlomo · 30/12/2021 08:26

@Newyearoldyou yes you’re right. She fully deserves what she got..
I just have a feeling there will be a lot of powerful men who won’t be seeing jail time for their part in what happened

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:27

I'm not sure you're understanding the point of criminal trials OP. This was about evidence brought against her.

If there is sufficient evidence brought against high profile men, then they'll get their own trials.

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 08:30

What about the men on the planes? Clinton Trump Prince Andrew?

Reminds me of school the wet supply teachers who would tell us good girls off for minor transactions whilst a group of disruptive thug like boys were ignored because confronting them was too hard 🙄

Sirzy · 30/12/2021 08:33

@MsTSwift

Obviously not defending her but seems to be the nearest woman who is “staff” who carries the can for the greater crimes committed by more senior men - see also Allegra Stratton 🙄
She was an awful lot more than “staff” she took part in the crimes at all levels it seems.

She is also the one in the best position to testify and ensure others do face justice. But you can bet she won’t as that will mean she has to admit her own role in it all.

Bussinbussin · 30/12/2021 08:33

@TheKeatingFive

I'm not sure you're understanding the point of criminal trials OP. This was about evidence brought against her.

If there is sufficient evidence brought against high profile men, then they'll get their own trials.

Exactly, and Maxwell is in the perfect position to supply that evidence, but she won't.