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Ghislaine Maxwell.....

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Livelovebehappy · 30/12/2021 07:20

Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of grooming young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Whilst she absolutely was guilty of aiding the abuse of these girls, shouldn’t there now be investigations into the high profile men who were clearly involved in the abuse? Clinton and Trump, as well as a Prince Andrew were clearly very close to Epstein, and there have been rumours of many other famous people being around at the time. I actually think Epstein’s death was suspect, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his death had been staged to protect some high profile men from being exposed. Maxwell has definitely taken the fall for a lot of people who should have been in the dock with her.

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Sirzy · 30/12/2021 11:14

@diddl

So if it has been proved that these girls were trafficked & there was therefore never any consent what more evidence is needed against any of the men known to have visited Epstein at his island, or perhaps even any of his properties?
You would have to prove they knew for a start. They could argue that they believed they where there of their own free will and taking part by choice. I doubt anyone would believe them for a second but without evidence it wouldn’t stand up in court.
Simonjt · 30/12/2021 11:16

@diddl

So if it has been proved that these girls were trafficked & there was therefore never any consent what more evidence is needed against any of the men known to have visited Epstein at his island, or perhaps even any of his properties?
The same could be said for the cleaners, cooks, pool boys etc. Being on an island where a crime took place is not a crime in itself.
noworklifebalance · 30/12/2021 11:28

what more evidence is needed against any of the men known to have visited Epstein at his island

That there were sexual encounters between the girls and these men. I mentioned up thread anyone who gave evidence as the victim or witness in the trial maybe able to provide evidence against some of these men, so I hope there are more prosecutions to come. GM may commit “suicide” but there must be plenty of other witnesses

diddl · 30/12/2021 11:30

"Being on an island where a crime took place is not a crime in itself."

Which is why I wondered what more evidence is needed.

Iputthetrampintrampoline · 30/12/2021 11:35

She will keep her mouth shut and say nothing more, she will do her time I am sure,after appeals etc, She has no choice, If she opened her gob and spilled the beans she couldnt possibly live in safety in the outside world so she is stuck, This is what happens, You take your chance and pay the price, She is a stupid woman who thought herself fire proof due to wealth and privelige and fear instlled in those young girls to keep quiet, She deserves her sentance in my view,think over all the men will get away with it thanks to her enforced silence,Would she ever dare open her mouth no she simply can;t and she knows that.

billy1966 · 30/12/2021 11:36

@BarkminsterBlue

I can only imagine she must have a lot of incriminating evidence which could prosecute the men involved if she chose to divulge it. I wonder if she will.
This is what is interesting.

Will she cooperate to get a lighter sentence.

She is scum IMO.

She knew exactly what she was doing, luring young girls to be used.

I hope she names names.

Isn't there a suggestion that this is a factor in the Gates divorce?

AndAnotherNewOne · 30/12/2021 11:40

The ridiculous conspiracy theories around the case distract from the actual facts which are evil in themselves.

QAnon has a lot to answer for with it's silly lies.

She has been convicted and will be punished. To pretend it's some great conspiracy is just daft.

diddl · 30/12/2021 11:43

"If she opened her gob and spilled the beans she couldnt possibly live in safety in the outside world"

She's 60, she'd have to have quite a drastically reduced sentence to ever see outside again woudn't she?

Iputthetrampintrampoline · 30/12/2021 11:48

Quite agree! She shouldnt have any reduction in sentence either, The world doesnt need people like her enjoying freedom, think the other people involved need prosecuting too but it will never happen and that will be down to her keeping quiet, This terrible case and the secrets not outed will die with her and thats wrong too for the victims.

SpaceshiptoMars · 30/12/2021 11:56

She's 60, she'd have to have quite a drastically reduced sentence to ever see outside again woudn't she?

I'm kind of expecting her to have a fatal stroke in the dock...

LakieLady · 30/12/2021 12:08

@MsTSwift

Doesn’t it strike any of you as odd that a cabal of powerful men abused these poor girls - facilitated by GM - but it is only GM is in a cell? My point is not that she shouldn’t be charged but they should be too.
Give it time.

Hopefully, Maxwell's conviction will encourage more women to come forward and identify the men who abused them.

FrippEnos · 30/12/2021 12:31

LakieLady

Give it time.

Hopefully, Maxwell's conviction will encourage more women to come forward and identify the men who abused them.

The problem is that in the US they have the statute of limitations.
It is entirely possible that many of there men will fall outside of the time allowed for federal prosecution.

I my limited understanding of it this is one of the reasons why PS has a civil case against him.

But I would be very happy to find out that the men could be fully prosecuted.

Cosmos123 · 30/12/2021 12:36

Scapegoat??
she arranged the misery for the victims.

Hope she never sees daylight again.
Her family need to accept that she is a criminal and stop their stupid pantomine.

Flashing about their cash and trying to buy their way out of criminality. That is the maxwells.

Hope they get them all including the slime ball Prince Andrew.

Come on ma'am stop protecting your son. Hand him over.

Roussette · 30/12/2021 13:15

Yes, agree on the ghastly family and their shenanagins. One of them could shoot someone at point blank range for no reason and they'd still come out saying that person was innocent.

The family website in her name insisting on her innocence makes me sick.

PA's lawyers are in 'emergency talks' apparently Good. Hope he's worried sick.
It will be an obscene amount of money spent on defending him. He has a huge legal team both here and in the US.

Zilla1 · 30/12/2021 13:52

'Definitely take the fall' arguably implies it will certainly stop there. Do you have any evidence that is the case. At the moment it appears to me she has been found guilty of a set of crimes she personally appears to have committed.

The one interesting dimension to me is that she appears to be a citizen/have a passport of/from 1 or 2 countries with whom the USA doesn't have an extradition treaty yet after Epstein was arrested and suicided, she was found in the US. That said, those one or two countries are notorious for people having timely accidents, even more than in the US.

Does anyone know which if her lawyers 'accidentally' breached the anonymity of at least one of the witnesses more than once without sanction?

LakieLady · 30/12/2021 14:07

@MsTSwift

Where am I minimising? She is guilty and good she was found guilty. Trump Clinton and Prince Andrew were there - why aren’t they on trial?
The Met investigated the accusations against him and then decided to go no further with it. This is par for the course for the treatment of sex offences in the UK, you only have to look at how few rape allegations ever reach court, even when the accused isn't a member of the royal family. And when you factor in Cress

The locus of the alleged contact between Virginian Giuffre and Andrew was in London, so not within the jurisdiction of the US criminal courts. And she was above the age of consent for the UK at the time.

When her claim for damages heard in the US, her evidence may well include information that changes things somewhat.

whatever1980 · 30/12/2021 14:15

Why do you think maxwell didn't leave the US long before her arrest (when she could) surely she had people who could protect her in countries with no extradition agreement?

Don't get me wrong I'm glad justice has been done (since it wasn't with Epstein) the crimes she committed were horrific.

Zilla1 · 30/12/2021 14:53

I don't know and it seems interesting that she didn't absent herself to nations where extradition is difficult but, perhaps in those places, there isn't enough money in the world if the right people with the right connections want you to have an accident, commit suicide or become a victim of an 'innocuous' burglary or mugging or sex situation gone wrong.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 30/12/2021 14:55

It'll be a 'nothing to see here, one's dead and the other is in prison, let's all move along now'.

DeliriaSkibbly · 30/12/2021 15:25

She has a French passport, and the French do not extradite their own citizens to other countries to face justice. It seems very strange to me that she didn't go to France where she'd basically be immune to the reach of the Americans. But perhaps her arrogance really is beyond all measure.

Regardless, I am happy with the verdict reached and note that she is also, now, due to stand trial for perjury in the Epstein case - on two counts, each of which carries a potential 5 years in prison.

Her lawyers are saying they will appeal but it's hard to see on what grounds. Unless they can demonstrate that the judge overstepped her authority in, say, granting anonymity to certain victims it's difficult to see where an appeal will go.

I note also that the judge has not indicated when she will hand down the sentence. I wonder if a word has been had so that the prosecutors can offer Maxwell some sort of plea deal. I doubt the sentence can be reduced sufficiently that she'll ever see the light of day, but perhaps a 'nicer' prison could be on offer.

Prince Andrew's lawyers are due in court on Tuesday with their latest claim that NY has no jurisdiction as Ms Giuffre resides in Australia now. I imagine that will just be slung out.

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 15:29

What the hell grounds will they appeal on? Evidence seemed pretty conclusive and damning to me.

Hope PA is absolutely shitting himself. He makes me sick too.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 30/12/2021 15:49

@MsTSwift

Doesn’t it strike any of you as odd that a cabal of powerful men abused these poor girls - facilitated by GM - but it is only GM is in a cell? My point is not that she shouldn’t be charged but they should be too.
Well, they put Epstein away - the man who provided the transport and housing

They Maxwell away - the woman who persuaded, procured young girls

So it has been fully established that sex trafficking took place. They have reliable witnesses who have proven a chain of events.

Now that that is established think how much easier it will be to get verdicts against the men involved. The basis of prosecution is beyond doubt...

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 15:50

Tricky though, after what happened to Epstein. Talking carries huge risks.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/12/2021 16:16

It's almost like she had no agency in her decision making whatsoever! Despite being born into privilege, having a first class public school and Oxford education, connections that enabled her to pretty much choose any career she wanted 'society' failed her when she was forced against her will to become a sex abuser and trafficker of minors

I'm hoping this was meant ironically, though nothing surprises me any more about the drive to insist that women must be victims no matter what they do

BligeMe · 30/12/2021 16:50

Haven't read the whole thread, but I have read that the Farmer sisters reported Epstein and his activities to the FBI circa 1996, but that the FBI didn't pursue the matter. Did no-one else go to the police? It wasn't until 2008 that Epstein was convicted of molesting a 14 year old. If the police had acted, perhaps other girls would not have been lured in, and perhaps our non sweaty prince wouldn't be in the trouble he is in now.

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