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Livelovebehappy · 2021-12-30T07:20:36+00:00

Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of grooming young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Whilst she absolutely was guilty of aiding the abuse of these girls, shouldn’t there now be investigations into the high profile men who were clearly involved in the abuse? Clinton and Trump, as well as a Prince Andrew were clearly very close to Epstein, and there have been rumours of many other famous people being around at the time. I actually think Epstein’s death was suspect, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his death had been staged to protect some high profile men from being exposed. Maxwell has definitely taken the fall for a lot of people who should have been in the dock with her.

BlackCatz · 30/12/2021 08:34

@Noshowlomo

She deserves to be in jail but so do the elites and men involved. She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny

Load of bollocks.

user15364596354862 · 30/12/2021 08:35

@TheKeatingFive

I'm not sure you're understanding the point of criminal trials OP. This was about evidence brought against her.

If there is sufficient evidence brought against high profile men, then they'll get their own trials.

Power is a huge factor in which cases make it to trial and which do not. The system is not impartial.

Swisscheeseleaves · 30/12/2021 08:36

I've put yanbu because the investigations shouldn't stop there. There must be mountains of evidence in their houses of people who may have also been involved. They should also be investigated.

Monty27 · 30/12/2021 08:37

She deserves it but there's a lot more to it I reckon. Scapegoat fall guy should have inmates that haven't even been tried yet 😠

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:39

Power is a huge factor in which cases make it to trial and which do not. The system is not impartial.

There was ample evidence against her. Should she not have been tried in your view?

The issue with other perpetrators us separate to her. They shouldn't impinge on her trial.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:40

but she won't

What she has said or not said with regards to other people is not on public record.

Mrsgordonselfridge · 30/12/2021 08:44

@MsTSwift I don’t think you can make the analogy with Allegra Stratton here except to say both women were bright, well educated and chose to do something stupid or indeed criminal. Allegra Stratton knew she was being filmed and took the piss out of the nation. She got found out but did fall on her sword. Maxwell on the other hand was an independently wealthy well-connected woman who chose to associate with a man known to have a penchant for young girls for many many years and then aided and abetted trafficking young girls for his satisfaction. She could’ve made different choices. She did not. After Epstein’s death she could have assisted the investigation. She chose not to. She did not fall on her sword.

I don’t think either woman ‘carried the can’ for the men involved.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:46

Also Maxwell manifestly didn't 'carry the can' for Epstein. He was convicted long before her.

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 08:47

I dont think any of us are arguing that she shouldn’t face justice she absolutely should and was found guilty which is good - the point is why aren’t the powerful men in the dock - the clients she procured victims for charged alongside her?

Watch Colin in Black and White on Netflix. The system was set up by powerful white men and it works for them.

MsTSwift · 30/12/2021 08:49

Doesn’t it strike any of you as odd that a cabal of powerful men abused these poor girls - facilitated by GM - but it is only GM is in a cell? My point is not that she shouldn’t be charged but they should be too.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:53

the point is why aren’t the powerful men in the dock - the clients she procured victims for charged alongside her?

We don't know.

Investigations may be ongoing.

There may be insufficient evidence supplied by victims.

Regardless, it doesn't impinge upon her being brought to justice, and answering to her own clearly evidenced crimes is not 'carrying the can' for anyone.

girlmom21 · 30/12/2021 08:53

@MsTSwift

Doesn’t it strike any of you as odd that a cabal of powerful men abused these poor girls - facilitated by GM - but it is only GM is in a cell? My point is not that she shouldn’t be charged but they should be too.

Well Epstein was in a cell too...

Newyearoldyou · 30/12/2021 08:53

But that's a separate issue re the men.

Simonjt · 30/12/2021 08:53

@MsTSwift

Doesn’t it strike any of you as odd that a cabal of powerful men abused these poor girls - facilitated by GM - but it is only GM is in a cell? My point is not that she shouldn’t be charged but they should be too.

You can’t charge people without evidence, evidence that can be used as part of a prosecution, it can take years to build a case against someone. I’m not sure why people are ignoring Epstein, the only reason he wasn’t found guilty is because he killed himself, he was the first one to be punished by for his crimes. GM is choosing to protect criminals, she is helping them not be charged. Just as the Queen is preventing her son from being charged.

CorrBlimeyGG · 30/12/2021 08:54

@MsTSwift No, it strikes me as odd that you're trying to minimise the actions of a convicted child abuser.

plm456 · 30/12/2021 08:55

She deserves to face justice. But I agree it feels a little unsatisfactory that the main perpetrator didn't. Assuming you see a life in prison as a more severe punishment than being killed.

Appreciate that VG is a complex character but I'm surprised that people don't feel at least some sympathy for her. On the news sites, many of the posters feel she went along with it all voluntarily and happily (as she was smiling in the infamous photo in the bathroom) and see her as old enough to make adult decisions. Appreciate that she was 17, not 7, but my 17 year old is quite naive and some way from having the judgement of an "adult". She also says she felt serious harm could come to her if she exposed them.

I'm not sure what to think, perhaps I've been generous in thinking she's largely telling the truth. There was clearly a power imbalance which makes me want to give her the benefit of the doubt.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:55

Let's not forget that Maxwell is guilty of sex trafficking as well as abuse.

TheKeatingFive · 30/12/2021 08:57

But I agree it feels a little unsatisfactory that the main perpetrator didn't.

She trafficked them. In what sense was she not a 'main perpetrator'?

Supersimkin2 · 30/12/2021 09:00

The whole thing’s squalid and the more fuss made the better.

I do wish the press would stop emphasising the youth of the victims. Rape’s rape. The girls were conned with offers of degrees and jobs, which is the oldest trick in the book played on adults too.

DeclareThePenniesOnYourEyes · 30/12/2021 09:00

I agree. She deserves to be in prison but I think she’s received a harsher sentence because Epstein can’t be punished. And yes, let’s look into the men who surrounded Epstein too rather than just lock up Maxwell and be like “case closed, someone’s being punished for this”.

Thisbastardcomputer · 30/12/2021 09:01

I thought she would get off, on the basis of the length of time the jury took over deliberations.

By saying that I do not think she was not guilty.

I hope she sings like a canary.

UserBot99 · 30/12/2021 09:01

I don't think she was a scapegoat. She used her mask of respectability to entice girls in for over a decade and she used the fact that girls felt safe because she was there. She used that. She did that because she enjoyed living with a very very wealthy man. She wasn't broke. She could have left but her priority was to remain in that wealth.

I would like to see Prince Andrew go to prison as well. I don't think he will but I hope he is up all night worrying that the law will get to him in the end.

girlmom21 · 30/12/2021 09:02

@DeclareThePenniesOnYourEyes

I agree. She deserves to be in prison but I think she’s received a harsher sentence because Epstein can’t be punished. And yes, let’s look into the men who surrounded Epstein too rather than just lock up Maxwell and be like “case closed, someone’s being punished for this”.

She hasn't been sentenced yet.

DillonPanthersTexas · 30/12/2021 09:02

She’s the scapegoat and it reeks of misogyny

FFS, I really despair at some of the shite I read on MN. She is a convicted sex trafficker of minors, not some poor put upon scapegoat.

Mrsgordonselfridge · 30/12/2021 09:03

GM was and is exceptionally well connected. A fact that also makes her a considerably powerful woman. The fact that she is a woman frankly makes it more abhorrent. And The fact that thus far she hasn’t given up more evidence to facilitate more convictions possibly points to her being much further up the criminal food chain than she is being given credit for. We don’t know what the prosecutions next move is. It might be a domino situation starting with GM as the kingpin. The ‘cabal’ might be next.. I do hope so. I’d imagine Prince Andrew is likely to be getting a sweat on (assuming he can of course..)

the sad fact is it is entirely possible the authorities have successfully prosecuted the biggest fish in all of this and has had them both convicted. Being a woman does not exempt her from being accountable in all of this. She actively recruited and trafficked over many years underage girls to be abused by her lover and his associates. One can argue which is worse - being the abuser or being the recruiter but frankly the whole matter is just beyond my comprehension.