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Ghislaine Maxwell.....

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Livelovebehappy · 30/12/2021 07:20

Ghislaine Maxwell has been found guilty of grooming young girls for Jeffrey Epstein. Whilst she absolutely was guilty of aiding the abuse of these girls, shouldn’t there now be investigations into the high profile men who were clearly involved in the abuse? Clinton and Trump, as well as a Prince Andrew were clearly very close to Epstein, and there have been rumours of many other famous people being around at the time. I actually think Epstein’s death was suspect, and I wouldn’t be surprised if his death had been staged to protect some high profile men from being exposed. Maxwell has definitely taken the fall for a lot of people who should have been in the dock with her.

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DillonPanthersTexas · 30/12/2021 17:15

I'm hoping this was meant ironically, though nothing surprises me any more about the drive to insist that women must be victims no matter what they do

I may not have been entirely serious. Like you I am occasionally dismayed on here at the mental acrobats by some to minimise the culpability of when when they act like cunts.

Cosmos123 · 30/12/2021 17:45

Can't understand why Fergie is costing up with our PA now.
Oh wait she has no where to live so great gravy train for yer to hook back up.
Because of course she 'believes' him.

His daughters were the same age when the alleged incident took place.
Angry

Cosmos123 · 30/12/2021 17:45

*cosying

Roussette · 30/12/2021 18:02

You ain't wrong there Cosmos. Without PA, she's broke. As it is, she can live in an a 30roomed mansion with 98 acres.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/12/2021 18:05

I may not have been entirely serious

Thank god for that Grin At least I wondered this time though ... I sometimes don't, and make a complete prat of myself!!

plm456 · 30/12/2021 18:07

Can't understand why Fergie is costing up with our PA now.
Oh wait she has no where to live so great gravy train for yer to hook back up. * Because of course she 'believes' him*.

I suspect I'm not alone in thinking she's just exacerbating the situation by her effusive complements about him being such an honourable man.

Whether he's guilty of a prosecutable crime or not, his behaviour falls a long way short of honourable in my opinion. He really should have known better than to hang around a questionable man with a bevy of young girls in tow. And to continue to do so when JE was exposed. As a Royal who doesn't need to "earn" a living per se, he doesn't really have any excuse for his actions.

Hippychicken1 · 30/12/2021 18:39

“It’s been reported that GM committed suicide while under 24hr ccTv and armed guards “ how she managed to
do this we will never know .

I wonder how long it will take for this to be the headline news 😂 I give it till the end of January 2022

diddl · 30/12/2021 19:12

"He really should have known better than to hang around a questionable man with a bevy of young girls in tow. And to continue to do so when JE was exposed."

If he didn't know what was going on in 2001(?) when the pic was taken, he certainly did in 2006(?) when JE was jailed!

KeepingAnOpenMind · 30/12/2021 19:19

So all the men get off scot free.
Hope she sings.

Nowayoutonlydown · 30/12/2021 19:27

Shes absolutely guilty and deserves to spend her entire life in prison, but I believe that she is absolutely not the biggest fish to fry here.

I'm concerned about the many others involved never having justice catch up with them.

With Epstein and Maxwell out of the way, it will still continue.

DillonPanthersTexas · 30/12/2021 19:31

So all the men get off scot free.

Sure, Epstein is sitting on his yacht drinking cocktails as we type

MrsColon · 30/12/2021 19:36

She deserves prison, but it's utterly shit that the men who did the actual raping seem to have got away with it. I hope she makes a deal with prosecutors and sings like the proverbial canary, although I wouldn't fancy her chances of not "committing suicide" or dying from a freak "accident" as soon as she opens her mouth.

SueSaid · 30/12/2021 19:49

'Whether he's guilty of a prosecutable crime or not, his behaviour falls a long way short of honourable in my opinion. He really should have known better than to hang around a questionable man with a bevy of young girls in tow. And to continue to do so when JE was exposed. '

Yes, It is astonishing that even without any alleged crimes he got away with being a 'playboy prince' for decades. Why didn't Prince Philip bollock him, haul him over the coals and get someone to ensure he was only 'socialising' with reputable people. The whole thing seems so very predictable and preventable.

My sympathies are with any alleged victims but honestly, the Palace can't seem to organise a piss up in a brewery PR and scandal wise.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/12/2021 19:51

I want to preface this by saying that I do think Prince Andrew et al are scum of the earth and I do hope they are charged with something BUT

I also think (and this will get shot down here) that Maxwell was effectively a Madam. Do you think she peddled these girls honestly? Do you think the men knew their real ages? Do you think the men thought they were there against their will?

Look at all the men who watch porn. Look at all the men who use prostitutes. How many of them know or care about how the women came to be in the films or how old they are? I think the men are disgusting pigs but I don’t know, because I wasn’t there, if they actually understood that they were raping these women, if the women were smiling at them and they were not aware of how they were procured, how old they were?

It’s just food for thought. For me Epstein snd Maxwell are ultimately the most culpable by far. They fucking knew these girls were trafficked and being raped. I hope Maxwell gives out info and she will almost certainly be murdered.

Justheretoaskaquestion91 · 30/12/2021 19:59

Although I would add that with the degree of hindsight and them understanding the context they all need to come out and make statements

rookiemere · 30/12/2021 20:07

I agree with @Justheretoaskaquestion91 , Ghislaine seemed absolutely pivotal to the abuse of these girls. I was listening to the radio today and it said that they would go to high schools in disadvantaged areas and deliberately target vulnerable girls - a man couldn't do that on his own without looking suspicious.

They also speculated that she was effectively hired by Epstein to do this because he bankrolled her lifestyle which she was used to, but couldn't afford herself once the Maxwell money stopped.

Should the men involved who effectively abused these girls be prosecuted too - absolutely,but I really don't think this is a case of going for the easy target woman rather than the real culprits and I'm delighted by the guilty verdict. Sadly I suspect she may go the way of Epstein rather than serve serious jail time, due to the names she could talk about.

PeaceONoeuf · 30/12/2021 20:08

I know I’ve asked this a couple of times (apologies if people are politely ignoring me) but I don’t understand why the evidence focussed on GM procuring girls for JE and not for other people?

Simonjt · 30/12/2021 20:10

@PeaceONoeuf

I know I’ve asked this a couple of times (apologies if people are politely ignoring me) but I don’t understand why the evidence focussed on GM procuring girls for JE and not for other people?
Other people aren’t proven to have raped and assaulted the victims, so you can’t really focus on her procuring a girl for John Smith if he isn’t guilty of rape/assault.
PeaceONoeuf · 30/12/2021 20:17

Thank you: so they couldn’t say ‘GM made me have sex with because that case hasn’t been heard? But because Epstein was already convicted they could charge her?

Roussette · 30/12/2021 20:27

Yes, It is astonishing that even without any alleged crimes he got away with being a 'playboy prince' for decades. Why didn't Prince Philip bollock him, haul him over the coals and get someone to ensure he was only 'socialising' with reputable people. The whole thing seems so very predictable and preventable

Absolutely agree. It's beyond unbelievable that PA has done what he's done, be it costing up to despots and arms dealers whilst under the guise of being a trade envoy...to dodgy backhanders and deals to line his pockets. Let alone friendship with a pervert sex trafficker and taking him to RF palaces and Ghislaine poncing about on a throne at Buckingham Palace.
He has a lot to answer for but I actually never want to see his entitled smug face again, unless it's in a court of law

Roussette · 30/12/2021 20:28

*cosying up

JohnSmithDrive · 30/12/2021 20:30

I'll be amazed if it sticks at appeal

Roussette · 30/12/2021 20:32

From what I've read, its near impossible for this verdict to be overturned unless it's on a technicality

OverByYer · 30/12/2021 20:33

She's not a scape goat she's a paedophile.
I agree that the men involved should face justice also, I bet there's a few twitchy bottoms around the world right now

diddl · 30/12/2021 20:34

"Let alone friendship with a pervert sex trafficker and taking him to RF palaces and Ghislaine poncing about on a throne at Buckingham Palace."

I think that that may have happened before JE was arrested for the first time but it just shows such utter disrespect for his Mum.

But I get the feeling that life is just one big joke to him.

No responsibilities, no money worries, no thought for others or consequences.

If I want to do it I will!