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Small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight - huge police motorcade

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PassMeTheInternet · Yesterday 22:49

This is the police escort for the latest small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight.

What on earth is going on with this country?

I don’t know how to link a video from Twitter. The videos show the full extent of the operation.

Small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight - huge police motorcade
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Schlossadler · Today 16:35

One thing is for certain - the government has truly lost control of the UK’s borders, and nobody will ever be able to again rely on official statistics as to the true numbers of illegal immigrants.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:36

inamarina · Today 16:34

Agree, and I’m an immigrant too.

Yes and you've shared your experience on other threads, which often go
ignored x

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:37

Schlossadler · Today 16:35

One thing is for certain - the government has truly lost control of the UK’s borders, and nobody will ever be able to again rely on official statistics as to the true numbers of illegal immigrants.

Horrible isn't it when you're confronted with the reality. We are fucked.

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:39

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:04

I haven’t seen one post on this thread doing A. Have you?l

eta There have been some deletions so maybe I’ve missed these comments.

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I don't like putting words into peoples mouths or interpreting what they say in the worst possible light (both sides do this). But there are posts on here asking why the government doesn't get the navy to "do something" "defend us" "stop the boats". The only two things the navy can do that I can think of would be to 1. Take on the job of the RNLI/intercept and accompany the boats to shore or 2. Somehow fight the boats/stop them physically. Which would mean sinking them presumably. So it sounds when people talk about the navy dealing with the problem like they want the navy to sink them. If there is another way that "the navy" (or any navy) could be involved I would be interested in the details.

The problem is the very first post (and the thread title) is misleading. It said that the police escort was there "for the latest small boat arrivals". But they weren't. They were there to escort the empty coaches and presumably keep the driver's safe. That would be nitpicking if it was a minor detail but it means the whole reason for the initial anger and confusion was based on something that you already knew wasn't true and you haven't really addressed or tried to correct this. Therefore I don't think it's reasonable to complain about others dishonesty.

AgathaDanbury · Today 16:41

Bitsostuff · Today 16:33

Fascinating. What happens if you do? I was rereading Persuasion just the other day and I'm booked in to see King Lear at the Cruicible. Will the police coming calling?

I don't know, but luckily it's still possible to google 'interregnum', so I'm assuming something like that.

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:41

AgathaDanbury · Today 16:24

I don't think I have ever come across anyone in real life who is in favour of mass uncontrolled immigration. I have come across quite a few people who are strongly opposed to immigration who live in areas that are completely unaffected by it.

Sarcasm aside, I do find that it's more constructive to keep arguments reality based.

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I don't mind people who are unaffected by immigration being strongly opposed to it.

It's the ones who are unaffected by immigration who are strongly in favour of it who are the problem. They're the reason why the debate is so toxic.

Schlossadler · Today 16:41

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:37

Horrible isn't it when you're confronted with the reality. We are fucked.

I genuinely fear there will be some form
of civil unrest this autumn/winter.

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:42

Babyboomtastic · Today 12:58

Maybe it's what we deserve for acting like we owned the world. Our past actions are not without consequence, and those hens are coming home to roost.

I don't personally think we are 'full' (and I live near the south coast). Some parts of the UK are some parts are incredibly sparsely populated. Maybe we need to share asylum seekers around the UK more fairly.

Ah, the mass migration as karma gambit. An interesting one. Admits it’s not a good thing for us but celebrates it happening to almost all predominantly white countries at the same time.

Posts on Twitter saying this get tens of thousands of likes. It’s a popular viewpoint. Punishment by immigration. Not hiding it under claims of needing more labour or it being natural. Just straight forward we deserve to be punished.

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Persephonia1966 · Today 16:42

Schlossadler · Today 16:35

One thing is for certain - the government has truly lost control of the UK’s borders, and nobody will ever be able to again rely on official statistics as to the true numbers of illegal immigrants.

0.7% of the population is not a loss of control or being fucked. The % of that which is irregular arrivals is smaller. And the % ok f that which is specifically small boat arrivals is smaller yet.

If you mean immigration more widely then that's a different conversation but that's nothing to do with a loss of control of Britain's borders

EasternStandard · Today 16:42

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:39

I don't like putting words into peoples mouths or interpreting what they say in the worst possible light (both sides do this). But there are posts on here asking why the government doesn't get the navy to "do something" "defend us" "stop the boats". The only two things the navy can do that I can think of would be to 1. Take on the job of the RNLI/intercept and accompany the boats to shore or 2. Somehow fight the boats/stop them physically. Which would mean sinking them presumably. So it sounds when people talk about the navy dealing with the problem like they want the navy to sink them. If there is another way that "the navy" (or any navy) could be involved I would be interested in the details.

The problem is the very first post (and the thread title) is misleading. It said that the police escort was there "for the latest small boat arrivals". But they weren't. They were there to escort the empty coaches and presumably keep the driver's safe. That would be nitpicking if it was a minor detail but it means the whole reason for the initial anger and confusion was based on something that you already knew wasn't true and you haven't really addressed or tried to correct this. Therefore I don't think it's reasonable to complain about others dishonesty.

I don’t think that’s the case. The Aus navy were involved in stopping small boats. They didn’t do what you suggest.

AgathaDanbury · Today 16:43

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:41

I don't mind people who are unaffected by immigration being strongly opposed to it.

It's the ones who are unaffected by immigration who are strongly in favour of it who are the problem. They're the reason why the debate is so toxic.

I'm very happy for people to have a range of views on immigration.

I tend to draw the line at conspiracy theories though.

Schlossadler · Today 16:44

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:42

0.7% of the population is not a loss of control or being fucked. The % of that which is irregular arrivals is smaller. And the % ok f that which is specifically small boat arrivals is smaller yet.

If you mean immigration more widely then that's a different conversation but that's nothing to do with a loss of control of Britain's borders

Come back when, god forbid, one of those missing men rapes or murders a young woman.

I don’t know how you can be so sanguine.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:44

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:27

That works both ways, when people say they welcome genuine immigration as opposed to those coming in via boats, they're never believed.

I think most people want the boats to stop. But not everyone thinks the people in those boats are going to drag us from our beds and rape and kill us or replace us so our young people can be sent Ukraine etc.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:45

Schlossadler · Today 16:41

I genuinely fear there will be some form
of civil unrest this autumn/winter.

Most certainly. Contrary to what we are led to believe, disgruntled citizens aren't all fascists racists. Ordinary hard working and retired generations have had enough. These do gooders do nothing to heal the rift; they actually worsen it, but I wonder if that's the plan.

SevenYellowHammers · Today 16:46

moonraker0 · Today 08:45

Nothing like a spot of virtue signalling to make your day brighter. Most people don’t care who you donate your money to but it must make you feel so better to tell everyone how good you are.

You sound very bitter. There’s no real point to anyone making them sound nice on an anonymous platform. People aren’t virtue signaling because they aren’t cruel. I don’t really know why you’re acting meanly. Perhaps you feel down on your luck and if that’s the case I am sorry. ** sorry, themselves

Schlossadler · Today 16:46

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:45

Most certainly. Contrary to what we are led to believe, disgruntled citizens aren't all fascists racists. Ordinary hard working and retired generations have had enough. These do gooders do nothing to heal the rift; they actually worsen it, but I wonder if that's the plan.

Quite.

The R card is meaningless for most of us now.
It holds no power given it has been used so often, so inappropriately.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:46

Schlossadler · Today 16:41

I genuinely fear there will be some form
of civil unrest this autumn/winter.

You keep hoping for this, but no cigar yet.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:47

TemperanceWest · Today 16:44

I think most people want the boats to stop. But not everyone thinks the people in those boats are going to drag us from our beds and rape and kill us or replace us so our young people can be sent Ukraine etc.

There's no middle ground tbh between two sets of people. It's gone too far for that. It's going to be everyone out for themselves and their families in the near future. Unity has gone and that's hard to pinpoint exactly how and when that occurred.

Schlossadler · Today 16:47

I don’t do GIFs as you know, but if I did I would you send you your favourite one.

Go on, send it now!

EasternStandard · Today 16:47

Schlossadler · Today 16:44

Come back when, god forbid, one of those missing men rapes or murders a young woman.

I don’t know how you can be so sanguine.

I don’t understand this either. It doesn’t have to be the case.

There’s better ways to deal with giving help to a group of people if that’s what’s wanted.

NowSober · Today 16:51

ITMA2000 · Today 13:20

Do you mean less safe?

Do you mean less safe?

I was being sarcastic.

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:52

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:42

Ah, the mass migration as karma gambit. An interesting one. Admits it’s not a good thing for us but celebrates it happening to almost all predominantly white countries at the same time.

Posts on Twitter saying this get tens of thousands of likes. It’s a popular viewpoint. Punishment by immigration. Not hiding it under claims of needing more labour or it being natural. Just straight forward we deserve to be punished.

Yes, payback time for the Empire.

Just a shame that the punishment has been meted out on the poorest neighbourhoods who have borne the brunt of immigration and asylum.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:52

Schlossadler · Today 16:46

Quite.

The R card is meaningless for most of us now.
It holds no power given it has been used so often, so inappropriately.

I think I've seen the R word at least once on the thread but I haven't RTFT. I don't take the lazy coupling at face value anymore. My worries are more about preventing another Rhiannon Whyte murder than being called racist, with no substance behind it.

inamarina · Today 16:53

CoventryCity · Today 15:53

From the Spectator article posted above: The chambers have recently been in the news as the home of Franck Magennis, a proudly communist barrister who is acting pro bono for Hamas in its quest to overturn the government’s decision to classify it as a terrorist group. (Garden Court said in a statement last month: ‘The barrister concerned has chosen to undertake this application and publicise it in his individual capacity. This in no way indicates that Garden Court Chambers supports his client.’)

Magennis’s social media posts offer illuminating perspectives on contemporary issues. He extended ‘full solidarity’ to the Irish Republican rap group Kneecap after they proclaimed ‘Up Hamas! Up Hezbollah!’ at one of their concerts. He celebrated having some time off from work over Easter so he could catch up on essential reading, Marxism and Transgender Liberation – Confronting Transphobia on the British Left by Red Fightback.And he shared with his online followers the request from his mother that they ‘watch an anti-Zionist film tonight’, adding: ‘Any suggestions gratefully received.’

The irony of deprecating transphobia and acting for Hamas may be lost on Magennis, but he is far from the only barrister at Garden Court whose radicalism is either out in the open or is otherwise thinly disguised.

One barrister suggested that the Tory party should be ‘dealt with as you would deal with the Nazis’

Several of the chambers’ lawyers simultaneously work as barristers representing asylum seekers in immigration tribunals and as judges sitting in those same tribunals. There is no doubting the skill or zeal of Garden Court’s advocates when it comes to securing the continued presence in Britain of a variety of intriguing individuals. But the question remains as to whether lawyers who advertise their determination to prevent people being deported should also be the judges deciding on deportation cases.

Among one of Garden Court’s most accomplished barristers is Rebecca Chapman. She has three decades of experience representing clients with asylum claims, with a particular focus on unaccompanied minors and those facing persecution on account of their gender or sexual orientation. She also has substantial experience in Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), claims based on family life, and Article 3, claims based on health and medical conditions. In 2021 she co-authored A Practical Guide to Health and Medical Cases in Immigration Law.
Chapman, however, also works part-time as a judge in the Upper Tier Immigration Tribunal, where she recently granted two Albanian lesbians the right to stay in Britain on the grounds that Albania is a patriarchy and homophobia is rampant in rural areas, even though the country’s law forbids discrimination against people on the grounds of sexual orientation.

One of Chapman’s colleagues, Greg O Ceallaigh KC, is another barrister-cum-judge in the Upper Tier Immigration Tribunal. He gave a sense of the thinking he brings to that responsibility when, prior to his appointment, he reposted on LinkedIn a demand by the Asylum Aid charity for the repeal of the Illegal Migration Act. In another social media post he suggested that the Tory party should be ‘dealt with as you would deal with the Nazis’.

Other Garden Court barristers have displayed signal success in ensuring that convicted criminals can stay in the country.

Patrick Lewis managed to ensure a Jamaican rapist avoided deportation on human-rights grounds, since the crimes the man committed in this country meant he was not eligible for witness protection in the Caribbean. Eva Doerr helped an Albanian offender to stay in Britain because sending him back to the Balkans would mean he could only communicate with his 15-year-old stepson via Zoom, which would be unfair on the boy.

The main tool used by Garden Court’s barristers to keep criminals in the UK is an inventive interpretation of the right to a family life. Well-meaning clauses written into the ECHR in 1950 have been stretched by lawyers to challenge governments that try to tackle illegal migration.
Garden Court’s housing team is led by Liz Davies KC, who was deselected as a Labour candidate for being too left-wing. She briefly chaired a Trotskyist umbrella organisation called Socialist Alliance. One of her protégés in Garden Court is Nick Bano, whose polemic Against Landlords makes the case for driving ‘landlords and house price speculators from the face of the Earth’. He proposes, among other things, a 100 per cent capital gains tax on property and cites Das Kapital as his principal influence.

In addition to its housing team, Garden Court has an entire protest rights team who act for climate-change activists causing obstruction or criminal damage. Although they don’t always win, they can often find enough sympathetic jurists to extract perverse verdicts. Garden Court barrister Michael Goold did not deny that six Extinction Rebellion activists had used an old fire engine to spray red paint over the Treasury in 2019, but convinced the jury that ‘anyone who knew the full scale of the climate crisis would have consented to the damage’ and that therefore this ‘provided them with a defence of lawful excuse’. In other words, I can damage your property if I think you ought to share my beliefs.

That’s really interesting (albeit frightening), thank you for posting.

Persephonia1966 · Today 16:55

EasternStandard · Today 16:42

I don’t think that’s the case. The Aus navy were involved in stopping small boats. They didn’t do what you suggest.

Ok, so how were the Aus navy involved in "stopping boats" and how do you suggest the UK navy copies them? Ideally if that doesn't involve invading sovereign countries as a side effect it would help. Also, to me if the likely direct result of the navies suggested actions would be drowning/sinking boats then wanting them to take that action is colloquially the equivalent of wanting them to sink boats.

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