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Small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight - huge police motorcade

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PassMeTheInternet · Yesterday 22:49

This is the police escort for the latest small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight.

What on earth is going on with this country?

I don’t know how to link a video from Twitter. The videos show the full extent of the operation.

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PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:11

Slightyamusedandsilly · Today 12:21

Unfortunately, it's the protesters themselves that have provided that ammunition. Given that the figure generally attributed to them of somewhere in the region of 40% with charges or convictions of violence.

Where have you got that figure from? Please link a source.

I expect you have got it from people arrested for violence at the Southport riots. People have quoted these fake facts already on this thread.

If you think you can extrapolate from “people arrested for committing violent offences “ to “people demonstrating peacefully “, I think you need a bit of a rethink.

I mean, it’s not rocket science is it?

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5MinuteArgument · Today 16:11

AgathaDanbury · Today 15:45

I mean, I look around the place I live and see people doing things the same way they have done things for 1,000 years, but am I living in the Matrix?

Maybe you are living in a nice safe middle class neighbourhood which hasn't really been impacted much by large scale immigration. It tends to be the poorer areas that have borne the brunt of it. That's why the debate is so toxic.

EasternStandard · Today 16:12

inamarina · Today 16:05

Exactly. I think the Dublin Regulation isn’t quite the magic solution people make it out to be.
I just read an article about Germany and how they are struggling to return migrants because frontline states like Italy simply refuse to take them back, completely stalling transfers.

Exactly. The receiving country can still say no. They have to agree.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:12

I need to pop to the shops. Hopefully I will be able to fight my way through the hordes of evil immigrants "roaming" the streets.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:14

Once again, we can all be who we want to be on the Internet, including live next door to places where asylum seekers are housed. Utter crap.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:15

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:11

Maybe you are living in a nice safe middle class neighbourhood which hasn't really been impacted much by large scale immigration. It tends to be the poorer areas that have borne the brunt of it. That's why the debate is so toxic.

Before I moved to where I am now I lived for several decades in one of the most deprived areas of London with a large immigrant population. It was great and I still miss it.

WeAreNumpties · Today 16:16

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:10

Sorry we aren't buying that all these men are going to be doing the same. Decent people don't mind and welcome immigration. What we don't welcome is being ignored by successive governments about the major problem with the influx of these undocumented men.

Who's we?

You are ignoring an actual experience because it doesn't fit with your ideology.

What sort of immigrants are ok for you then? What nationalities would you be ok with?

EasternStandard · Today 16:16

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:14

Once again, we can all be who we want to be on the Internet, including live next door to places where asylum seekers are housed. Utter crap.

I think it’s generally fine for others eg Piddington.

BIossomtoes · Today 16:16

I want my life in my country, to reflect my values

I don’t. I find your values abhorrent.

AgathaDanbury · Today 16:19

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:11

Maybe you are living in a nice safe middle class neighbourhood which hasn't really been impacted much by large scale immigration. It tends to be the poorer areas that have borne the brunt of it. That's why the debate is so toxic.

I'm not disagreeing with that, or with people who wish to control immigration. Some communities have been impacted disproportionately and I understand why the people of Piddington don't want to suddenly accommodate over a thousand strange men.

I was specifically responding to the idea that British culture has been completely destroyed and that if I live somewhere that has a deep rooted shared culture and identity, I can't be living in the UK.

CoventryCity · Today 16:20

namechange10113 · Today 16:05

@CoventryCitybut Dover DOES have the facilities and infrastructure to have them land there (whether the locals want them or not) so they'd be best keeping them landing there & not pushing them to places where there is no facilities or infrastructure to support it.

True. But judging by what’s been happening to date, I wouldnt be surprised if they start building new facilities and infrastructure in strategic locations, to accept new arrivals.

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:20

WeAreNumpties · Today 16:16

Who's we?

You are ignoring an actual experience because it doesn't fit with your ideology.

What sort of immigrants are ok for you then? What nationalities would you be ok with?

Anybody who wants to respect their host country and its citizens, be prepared to learn to speak fluent English and make a financial contribution. Quite simple.

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:20

AgathaDanbury · Today 15:56

I regret to inform you that we have been told that a new cultural identity has been imposed on not just Britain but all of Europe. There are no areas unaffected by mass uncontrolled immigration. We are no longer allowed to read Austen or Shakespeare or learn about British history. Just take the red pill.

There are plenty of areas unaffected by mass uncontrolled immigration. That's where the people who are in favour it live. I strongly suspect that you're one of them.

AgathaDanbury · Today 16:24

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:20

There are plenty of areas unaffected by mass uncontrolled immigration. That's where the people who are in favour it live. I strongly suspect that you're one of them.

I don't think I have ever come across anyone in real life who is in favour of mass uncontrolled immigration. I have come across quite a few people who are strongly opposed to immigration who live in areas that are completely unaffected by it.

Sarcasm aside, I do find that it's more constructive to keep arguments reality based.

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:24

CoventryCity · Today 15:53

From the Spectator article posted above: The chambers have recently been in the news as the home of Franck Magennis, a proudly communist barrister who is acting pro bono for Hamas in its quest to overturn the government’s decision to classify it as a terrorist group. (Garden Court said in a statement last month: ‘The barrister concerned has chosen to undertake this application and publicise it in his individual capacity. This in no way indicates that Garden Court Chambers supports his client.’)

Magennis’s social media posts offer illuminating perspectives on contemporary issues. He extended ‘full solidarity’ to the Irish Republican rap group Kneecap after they proclaimed ‘Up Hamas! Up Hezbollah!’ at one of their concerts. He celebrated having some time off from work over Easter so he could catch up on essential reading, Marxism and Transgender Liberation – Confronting Transphobia on the British Left by Red Fightback.And he shared with his online followers the request from his mother that they ‘watch an anti-Zionist film tonight’, adding: ‘Any suggestions gratefully received.’

The irony of deprecating transphobia and acting for Hamas may be lost on Magennis, but he is far from the only barrister at Garden Court whose radicalism is either out in the open or is otherwise thinly disguised.

One barrister suggested that the Tory party should be ‘dealt with as you would deal with the Nazis’

Several of the chambers’ lawyers simultaneously work as barristers representing asylum seekers in immigration tribunals and as judges sitting in those same tribunals. There is no doubting the skill or zeal of Garden Court’s advocates when it comes to securing the continued presence in Britain of a variety of intriguing individuals. But the question remains as to whether lawyers who advertise their determination to prevent people being deported should also be the judges deciding on deportation cases.

Among one of Garden Court’s most accomplished barristers is Rebecca Chapman. She has three decades of experience representing clients with asylum claims, with a particular focus on unaccompanied minors and those facing persecution on account of their gender or sexual orientation. She also has substantial experience in Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), claims based on family life, and Article 3, claims based on health and medical conditions. In 2021 she co-authored A Practical Guide to Health and Medical Cases in Immigration Law.
Chapman, however, also works part-time as a judge in the Upper Tier Immigration Tribunal, where she recently granted two Albanian lesbians the right to stay in Britain on the grounds that Albania is a patriarchy and homophobia is rampant in rural areas, even though the country’s law forbids discrimination against people on the grounds of sexual orientation.

One of Chapman’s colleagues, Greg O Ceallaigh KC, is another barrister-cum-judge in the Upper Tier Immigration Tribunal. He gave a sense of the thinking he brings to that responsibility when, prior to his appointment, he reposted on LinkedIn a demand by the Asylum Aid charity for the repeal of the Illegal Migration Act. In another social media post he suggested that the Tory party should be ‘dealt with as you would deal with the Nazis’.

Other Garden Court barristers have displayed signal success in ensuring that convicted criminals can stay in the country.

Patrick Lewis managed to ensure a Jamaican rapist avoided deportation on human-rights grounds, since the crimes the man committed in this country meant he was not eligible for witness protection in the Caribbean. Eva Doerr helped an Albanian offender to stay in Britain because sending him back to the Balkans would mean he could only communicate with his 15-year-old stepson via Zoom, which would be unfair on the boy.

The main tool used by Garden Court’s barristers to keep criminals in the UK is an inventive interpretation of the right to a family life. Well-meaning clauses written into the ECHR in 1950 have been stretched by lawyers to challenge governments that try to tackle illegal migration.
Garden Court’s housing team is led by Liz Davies KC, who was deselected as a Labour candidate for being too left-wing. She briefly chaired a Trotskyist umbrella organisation called Socialist Alliance. One of her protégés in Garden Court is Nick Bano, whose polemic Against Landlords makes the case for driving ‘landlords and house price speculators from the face of the Earth’. He proposes, among other things, a 100 per cent capital gains tax on property and cites Das Kapital as his principal influence.

In addition to its housing team, Garden Court has an entire protest rights team who act for climate-change activists causing obstruction or criminal damage. Although they don’t always win, they can often find enough sympathetic jurists to extract perverse verdicts. Garden Court barrister Michael Goold did not deny that six Extinction Rebellion activists had used an old fire engine to spray red paint over the Treasury in 2019, but convinced the jury that ‘anyone who knew the full scale of the climate crisis would have consented to the damage’ and that therefore this ‘provided them with a defence of lawful excuse’. In other words, I can damage your property if I think you ought to share my beliefs.

Our taxes are funding these scumbags. They must have so much fun trolling the British people.

TemperanceWest · Today 16:25

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:14

Once again, we can all be who we want to be on the Internet, including live next door to places where asylum seekers are housed. Utter crap.

I know you find it hard to accept others don't feel as you do, but that doesn't mean they are lying.
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LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:27

TemperanceWest · Today 16:25

I know you find it hard to accept others don't feel as you do, but that doesn't mean they are lying.
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That works both ways, when people say they welcome genuine immigration as opposed to those coming in via boats, they're never believed.

CoventryCity · Today 16:29

5MinuteArgument · Today 16:20

There are plenty of areas unaffected by mass uncontrolled immigration. That's where the people who are in favour it live. I strongly suspect that you're one of them.

Yes. They’re all just like Labour MP Rachel Maskell

Labour MP Rachael Maskell (York Central) has faced significant criticism and accusations of hypocrisy regarding this issue.

The Background
In 2015, during the Syrian refugee crisis, Maskell spoke at a rally and strongly advocated for the UK to accept substantially higher numbers of refugees.

She famously stated:
“20,000 is not enough. 30,000 is not enough. We will keep going until we hit our saturation point, because what does it matter if we have to wait another week for a hospital visit?”

The Controversy
Maskell later faced intense backlash after she opposed government plans to house up to 1,200 asylum seekers at a site near her constituency in North Yorkshire.

Political opponents, including figures from the Conservative Party and Reform UK, pointed out the contradiction, accusing her of maintaining a "Not In My Backyard" (NIMBY) stance. Critics argued that she was eager to champion large-scale immigration and accept its impact on public services until an asylum accommodation center was proposed near her own local community.

You couldn’t bake it up. Oh. Wait.

Small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight - huge police motorcade
PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:29

EscCtrl · Today 12:27

I think you have to do better than that if you want to convince a educated person. Where are the crime/population figures? (with reliable sources). Then perhaps apply a χ2 test, and give some attention to confounding factors in your statistical treatment (perhaps multivariable analysis?).

There are figures available from other European countries eg Denmark which don’t require a statistical expert to understand. But I’m sure you’ll find a reason why they are unacceptable.

I actually find it odd that people question that men who arrive from countries with higher levels of violence towards women and more regressive attitudes towards women are more likely to be violent towards women.

Oh sorry, I haven’t got a phd in ethnogeography, I shouldn’t really have an opinion on that.

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CoventryCity · Today 16:31

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:29

There are figures available from other European countries eg Denmark which don’t require a statistical expert to understand. But I’m sure you’ll find a reason why they are unacceptable.

I actually find it odd that people question that men who arrive from countries with higher levels of violence towards women and more regressive attitudes towards women are more likely to be violent towards women.

Oh sorry, I haven’t got a phd in ethnogeography, I shouldn’t really have an opinion on that.

It’s cognitive dissonance. I’m surprised they sleep at night they lie to themselves so much.

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:32

Gtfto2024 · Today 12:31

Using appropriate descriptors isn't a reflection of kindness or not.

Making up lies is though.

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inamarina · Today 16:33

smooththecat · Today 15:05

So you’re saying migration stops and everything is suddenly great? I hate to burst your bubble but we’re in a global crisis and that is not going to work. That’s what I’m suggesting you think about. I don’t need you to send me news articles, thanks. Immigrant commits crime ≠ all crime is caused by immigrants.

To say that men arriving in boats can and does cause problems is not the same as to claim that if immigration stops everything will be suddenly great.

Bitsostuff · Today 16:33

AgathaDanbury · Today 15:56

I regret to inform you that we have been told that a new cultural identity has been imposed on not just Britain but all of Europe. There are no areas unaffected by mass uncontrolled immigration. We are no longer allowed to read Austen or Shakespeare or learn about British history. Just take the red pill.

Fascinating. What happens if you do? I was rereading Persuasion just the other day and I'm booked in to see King Lear at the Cruicible. Will the police coming calling?

LuckyHazelFox · Today 16:33

PassMeTheInternet · Today 16:32

Making up lies is though.

That person doesn't believe Antifa exists so I wouldn't give much credence there.

inamarina · Today 16:34

SiberFox · Today 15:10

”We need their labour” yet more than half aren’t employed (when allowed to work) and most receive benefits.

I’m an immigrant who entered legally and has been paying tax in a higher bracket for a couple of decades - that’s the sort of labour most countries want and welcome through legal immigration routes.

So sick of people being demonised for wanting their borders and immigration controlled rather being bullied into leaving the front door wide open.

Agree, and I’m an immigrant too.