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Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón

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DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 12:45

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illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 13:25

MaybeMeansMaybe · 20/07/2026 13:14

I hope the king kept his hand on his ha'penny and his crown because if not, there is a fair chance that the next time we see Burnham, he will be wearing them!

Yes because all northerners do is nick things right?! How gross!

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:25

BIossomtoes · 20/07/2026 13:08

Possibly emotion. It must be a hugely emotional moment.

Which he should have anticipated and had a lectern to steady him and notes to give confidence. He’s not the great communicator that I’ve been told about going by that performance.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:27

Notonthestairs · 20/07/2026 13:10

Building more council houses, end to rough sleeping (that unit was disbanded during the Tories first whack at austerity), fix privatisation, help with the cost of living, get young people in to work. Not bad priorities.

No. But they were already priorities…nothing new, nothing clear. And poorly communicated. He’s looking like the dud I feared he was from previous observation. I hope I’m wrong.

baroqueandblue · 20/07/2026 13:28

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:25

Which he should have anticipated and had a lectern to steady him and notes to give confidence. He’s not the great communicator that I’ve been told about going by that performance.

Right, coz it's funny how all the notes and lecterns of the last 16 years haven't bucked the UK's downward trend!

BIossomtoes · 20/07/2026 13:29

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:27

No. But they were already priorities…nothing new, nothing clear. And poorly communicated. He’s looking like the dud I feared he was from previous observation. I hope I’m wrong.

So do I. Because we’re fucked if you’re not.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:29

baroqueandblue · 20/07/2026 13:17

Not sure how he said what he said is as important as the heart it had.

Desperately hoping this means positive change at long last.

I’d normally agree. Except it didn’t seem to have heart either. It was halting and rambling with odd pauses. Very disappointed. And actually, having ousted a man who was making progress I expect more than heart from him.

placemats · 20/07/2026 13:29

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Friendlygingercat · 20/07/2026 13:30

He's a better communicator than Starmer but then most people are.. A leader needs charisma to bring people along with him. Adolf Hitler was an ugly little man but boy did he have charisma.

illbeyourperfectmrs · 20/07/2026 13:30

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:25

Which he should have anticipated and had a lectern to steady him and notes to give confidence. He’s not the great communicator that I’ve been told about going by that performance.

Or maybe he decided that’s all a bit naff and he’d rather just speak from the heart about what is important to him and this country?

Snapespeare · 20/07/2026 13:30

'It might be a regional thing but "the king kept his hand on his ha'penny" conjures up a very bizarre image for me and Burnham wearing the king's ha'penny would require some type of surgery.'

For both Queen Caroline and Prime Minister Andrea Burnham. The phrase refers to a woman's virginity.

I'm energised by the speech. I'm hopeful, which is nice because I'm generally quite cynical. Glad there were no football references.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:31

placemats · 20/07/2026 13:23

That was a good speech, clear, and to the point.

Can you explain the point then? I couldn’t see one. Rambly stuff about helping people. No clarity. Odd pauses that made it hard to follow. Poor in terms of both oratory and communication. I really tried to listen. Couldn’t follow or pick out any actual plans.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:31

baroqueandblue · 20/07/2026 13:28

Right, coz it's funny how all the notes and lecterns of the last 16 years haven't bucked the UK's downward trend!

The point is the6 make no difference to anything practical, no. So why dispense with one then look a bit lost?

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:32

Friendlygingercat · 20/07/2026 13:30

He's a better communicator than Starmer but then most people are.. A leader needs charisma to bring people along with him. Adolf Hitler was an ugly little man but boy did he have charisma.

Not based on that he’s not. I’ve always known what Starmer was going to do when he finished speaking. It’s always had smooth delivery. That was vague and stuttering.

placemats · 20/07/2026 13:32

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:31

The point is the6 make no difference to anything practical, no. So why dispense with one then look a bit lost?

He most certainly didn't look lost 😊

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 13:33

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:27

No. But they were already priorities…nothing new, nothing clear. And poorly communicated. He’s looking like the dud I feared he was from previous observation. I hope I’m wrong.

Wasn't there some shouting or music coming from somewhere?

His speechmaking is something that can be improved and he has the summer to work on it. He communicates quite well on SM so I think he can do it.

PickAChew · 20/07/2026 13:34

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 13:33

Wasn't there some shouting or music coming from somewhere?

His speechmaking is something that can be improved and he has the summer to work on it. He communicates quite well on SM so I think he can do it.

Some very raucous Ode to Joy, I think.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:34

placemats · 20/07/2026 13:32

He most certainly didn't look lost 😊

Look? Maybe not. Sounded it though. It was rambly and stuttery. Maybe I’ve spent too long assessing presentations for GCSE English. I’d expect a politician touted as a great communicator to be better than a teen and was deeply disappointed. And a bit scared. So much scope for attack.

Piggywaspushed · 20/07/2026 13:34

Tax for a change. Bonnie was 11 at the weekend.

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cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:35

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 13:33

Wasn't there some shouting or music coming from somewhere?

His speechmaking is something that can be improved and he has the summer to work on it. He communicates quite well on SM so I think he can do it.

I’m sure it can be improved. But that is the ONLY thing tha5 anyone has ever said made him a better bet than Starmer. It’s very scary that apparently he can’t do it.

TemperanceWest · 20/07/2026 13:36

Snapespeare · 20/07/2026 13:30

'It might be a regional thing but "the king kept his hand on his ha'penny" conjures up a very bizarre image for me and Burnham wearing the king's ha'penny would require some type of surgery.'

For both Queen Caroline and Prime Minister Andrea Burnham. The phrase refers to a woman's virginity.

I'm energised by the speech. I'm hopeful, which is nice because I'm generally quite cynical. Glad there were no football references.

"The phrase refers to a woman's virginity"

Yes, which is why I found that post so odd! My mum used to say it to me (jokingly) when I went out clubbing as a teenager.

SerendipityJane · 20/07/2026 13:36

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PickAChew · 20/07/2026 13:37

His speech was more or less a summary of the one he made on Friday. He was pausing then, with a lecturn and fewer distractions. Seems... To be... His... Style.

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:37

Better pay some tax while I’m being deeply disappointed by the new PM. Perdy looking adoringly at the cat sitter.

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cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:38

Well that’s really encouraging then @PickAChew 🙄

placemats · 20/07/2026 13:39

cardibach · 20/07/2026 13:34

Look? Maybe not. Sounded it though. It was rambly and stuttery. Maybe I’ve spent too long assessing presentations for GCSE English. I’d expect a politician touted as a great communicator to be better than a teen and was deeply disappointed. And a bit scared. So much scope for attack.

Having taught drama in the past, I thought it was a good speech. No fanfare and no flourish. You get what you see.

Burnham read English at Cambridge.

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