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Thread 1 Burnham: Esperanza en cada Corazón

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DuncinToffee · 20/07/2026 12:45

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Persephonia1966 · 22/07/2026 18:00

pleasedontreinme · 22/07/2026 17:21

It’s genuinely depressing.

My parents are acting like the bus fare cap will be coming out of their pockets. It’s free for them anyway!! It enrages me

I love my mum and I know she loves me. But her politics could very easily by linked to "will this hurt Persephone's personal interests" despite not in any way wishing me ill. For example, when I was a student it was generally agreed all students these days were lazy except she was very proud of me for being a student. I think it's a result if reading negative things about groups in the papers and just assuming the real world contradictions to those stereotypes are the exceptions. Rather than thinking maybe the Daily Mail was lying...

Piggywaspushed · 22/07/2026 18:00

There was a poster with a similar name and views not long ago.

LizzieW1969 · 22/07/2026 18:04

LittleBowSheep · 22/07/2026 17:46

This sort of thing makes me very angry too. I won't benefit from the bus price cap but I can certainly see it as a good thing for others.

So many people in this country are downright selfish and ignorant. It must be hard for you dealing with your parents' attitude.

Same here. I don’t use the bus much myself, so it doesn’t make any difference to me, plus we can afford to pay more. But I know people who will really benefit from a £2.00 cap.

PickAChew · 22/07/2026 18:07

TemperanceWest · 22/07/2026 17:58

I asked mnhq about Mr Darko. They said:

This poster was new to the site but we couldn't see any connections with any previous accounts. We've banned them and have deleted all of their posts by now.

Very strange.

In the days of VPN, throwaway SIMs and equally disposable email accounts, it's probably pretty much impossible to link malicious posters to each other. I think they need follow the mantra of "if it looks like a duck..." with these accounts.

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2026 18:14

PickAChew · 22/07/2026 18:07

In the days of VPN, throwaway SIMs and equally disposable email accounts, it's probably pretty much impossible to link malicious posters to each other. I think they need follow the mantra of "if it looks like a duck..." with these accounts.

In these days of "AI" it's becoming trivial to sylistically link posters. Especially lazy or less bright ones who allow autocorrect/spearchuckers loose without restraint. Over enough plaintext, there can be tells. (to use a poker term).

We're at baby steps right now, but here is a current story about the exponential increase in freely available models

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/22/the-truth-nobody-wants-to-admit-chinese-or-not-open-models-are-competitive-now/5275879

The truth nobody wants to admit: Chinese or not, open models are competitive now

Hey Uncle Sam, if you thought GPT-5.6 and Claude Fable 5 were scary, get a load of Kimi K3

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/22/the-truth-nobody-wants-to-admit-chinese-or-not-open-models-are-competitive-now/5275879

placemats · 22/07/2026 18:15

DuncinToffee · 22/07/2026 17:51

When the £2 bus fare first came in, DD had a college bus pass so we didn'tuse it. She then lost the card and had to wait for a replacement, the £2 saved us £3 a day.

£15 a week is a lot of money to save.

placemats · 22/07/2026 18:26

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2026 18:14

In these days of "AI" it's becoming trivial to sylistically link posters. Especially lazy or less bright ones who allow autocorrect/spearchuckers loose without restraint. Over enough plaintext, there can be tells. (to use a poker term).

We're at baby steps right now, but here is a current story about the exponential increase in freely available models

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/07/22/the-truth-nobody-wants-to-admit-chinese-or-not-open-models-are-competitive-now/5275879

But does it translate to a street/road in a town with a population of 25,000, ten miles to the nearest bigger town (pop 75,000), approx 6 mins by car on Google maps which is always double if you're lucky and then you have to find parking and you're not on the app so it's the supermarket that thankfully gives free parking for up to two hours:

and 45 minutes by bus to the centre, given traffic, the slowness of passengers getting on or off:

AND if especially lucky a always 7 minute travel by train - though some may be cancelled delayed so add on extra time and remember it's about a mile walk to the centre of the town

to the bookshop you wanted to go to.

Spandauer · 22/07/2026 18:39

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 22/07/2026 16:49

Worryingly we'll need a new thread again soon, it only feels like a couple of days ago when we had the last one 😆
Sybil seems to have a new box
This thread seems to have a new weirdo

Sybil looks very snug in her box. Possession is 9/10ths of the law... 10/10 in cat law.

placemats · 22/07/2026 18:51

Given that the new cabinet is gender equal. Burnham: Courage calls to courage everywhere.

If ploppies plop, ignore. They'll soon tire of it.

pleasedontreinme · 22/07/2026 18:56

Persephonia1966 · 22/07/2026 18:00

I love my mum and I know she loves me. But her politics could very easily by linked to "will this hurt Persephone's personal interests" despite not in any way wishing me ill. For example, when I was a student it was generally agreed all students these days were lazy except she was very proud of me for being a student. I think it's a result if reading negative things about groups in the papers and just assuming the real world contradictions to those stereotypes are the exceptions. Rather than thinking maybe the Daily Mail was lying...

For my parents I think their politics can be summed up as “if it doesn’t personally benefit us, we don’t want it”.

SerendipityJane · 22/07/2026 18:58

pleasedontreinme · 22/07/2026 18:56

For my parents I think their politics can be summed up as “if it doesn’t personally benefit us, we don’t want it”.

"It's all about me"

regarding thread titles, avoiding English has helped keep things fairly fashionable

placemats · 22/07/2026 19:00

coragem e esperança.

BIossomtoes · 22/07/2026 19:01

placemats · 22/07/2026 19:00

coragem e esperança.

Nice. I like that.

pointythings · 22/07/2026 19:21

Notonthestairs · 22/07/2026 17:01

Good grief, Mr Darko, reduced to name changing just to chuck insults around.

Very pre-teen.

But always a good indication that the right wingers are rattled.

They must be so scared of us. Hilarious 😂.

pleasedontreinme · 22/07/2026 19:35

I have to say that everything I’ve heard out of Burnham’s mouth so far has been largely positive!

Llttledrummergirl · 22/07/2026 19:45

I like the bus fare cap. I credit Sue Townsend with this- "two 50ps for the Queen and I".

The book was called The Queen and I and was very funny.

The bus fare won't affect us- busses from near home to near work are few and far between. I think it's a good thing.

PickAChew · 22/07/2026 19:57

I live in one of those houses so despised on Mumsnet with many, many buses going past, each hour.

The boys love it😂

They both have bus passes and I can travel with either of them as a companion but on the rare occasion I get to venture out alone, I'll not mind a single being 50p cheaper (our regional Mayor has given us a £2.50 cap, since it went up to £3 for most people)

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 07:57

Poor Nigel - think this is new [the reporting to HMRC] tho' Dan Neidle's view was already known

Tories ask HMRC to investigate whether Nigel Farage owes tax on £5m gift

Party chair queries status of funds Reform leader received from crapto billionaire Christopher Harborne

Tories ask HMRC to investigate whether Nigel Farage owes tax on £5m gift | Nigel Farage | The Guardian

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 08:35

More than 120 millionaires.. have signed an open letter urging PM Andy Burnham to tax their wealth. The campaign, called 'Proud to Pay' says a 2% tax on wealth over £10m could raise £24 billion a year.

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Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 23/07/2026 08:37

Been mulling over Louise Haigh's new role and this really doesn't sit comfortably with me.
Quite apart from whether her conviction for fraud should make her unfit for high office or not - I can't help feeling that Andy Burnham has presented a gift to the press immediately. This feels like Starmer's glasses again.
A touch disappointed...

Zonder · 23/07/2026 08:38

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 08:35

More than 120 millionaires.. have signed an open letter urging PM Andy Burnham to tax their wealth. The campaign, called 'Proud to Pay' says a 2% tax on wealth over £10m could raise £24 billion a year.

Wow I love this. Do we know who they are?

DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 08:43

Zonder · 23/07/2026 08:38

Wow I love this. Do we know who they are?

Patriotic Millionaires UK

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/gary-lineker-millionares-wealth-tax-andy-burnham-b3019509.html

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BIossomtoes · 23/07/2026 08:43

Zonder · 23/07/2026 08:38

Wow I love this. Do we know who they are?

It sounds like the Patriotic Millionaires. Gary Stevenson is one of them.

Notonthestairs · 23/07/2026 08:50

Efacsen · 23/07/2026 07:57

Poor Nigel - think this is new [the reporting to HMRC] tho' Dan Neidle's view was already known

Tories ask HMRC to investigate whether Nigel Farage owes tax on £5m gift

Party chair queries status of funds Reform leader received from crapto billionaire Christopher Harborne

Tories ask HMRC to investigate whether Nigel Farage owes tax on £5m gift | Nigel Farage | The Guardian

The Tories said the £5 million payment looks like ‘disguised remuneration’.

BIossomtoes · 23/07/2026 08:54

Notonthestairs · 23/07/2026 08:50

The Tories said the £5 million payment looks like ‘disguised remuneration’.

They’ve got a point. Apparently Farage said he’d need £1m a year to be an MP. Et voila the exact amount he said he would need for a parliamentary term appeared in his bank account just before he announced his candidacy. I wonder of he’ll give Harborne £3m back if he loses next month?

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