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Youngest mum whose parents didn’t know at 11...

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Breastfeedingworries · 27/06/2021 16:06

I’m so shocked by this article!!

Apologises if this has already been posted about.

Does anyone else know anything else about this? I hope her rapist will face justice. Why is it reported she’s a young mum! She’s 11, when she had sex. It’s disgusting. Horrified by this. :(

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/11-year-old-girl-becomes-5579935?fbclid=IwAR1f-Abx0qIwCZIJ84bgAxo0mnLcgVnAdCUSCFMV9GdRL9OCZdbDeNQvDqs

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thecatfromjapan · 27/06/2021 18:43

sleepingstznfingup
It doesn't matter what they 'consider'. They're too young to give informed consent.

And, as I said before, for sexualised behaviour to come up that young, there will be grooming (by an adult) involved.

Thefaceofboe · 27/06/2021 18:43

How horrific for that poor baby, having to put her body through that at 11 years old Sad I really hope she was oblivious to her pregnancy until she went into labour so at least she didn’t have the worry and wasn’t frightened.

thecatfromjapan · 27/06/2021 18:43

Do you know any ten year olds?

Kanaloa · 27/06/2021 18:47

I saw this online earlier, poor little girl. I had my son as a young teenager and looking back I think I was so young. To think, my oldest is now eleven years old and he’s still just a little boy really. I hope there is some sort of social worker or police worker or similar looking into this at the moment.

Tehmina23 · 27/06/2021 18:48

I went to school with a girl who lost her virginity at 11 to a much older boy.. this would've been 30 years ago so I think.
I was shocked when I found out as an older teen but sadly it was not a surprise as my bf lived opposite her family... her parents & their friends had very open attitudes to porn, sex & nudity apparently.

At the age I was when I found out it didn't occur to me to think about abuse but now it horrifies me. And looking back I think there were possibly at least 3 or 4 other girls in that situation.
We didn't have 'safeguarding' in those days sadly.

I feel very sorry for the 10 / 11 year old in this story, and for the baby obviously.

NeverNotChasingDreams · 27/06/2021 18:49

But those people saying she might not have been raped are talking about the other person being the same age. If neither child can consent are they both guilty or rape / sexual abuse? No one seems to be suggesting she could have consented to someone older

Neither would be guilty of anything, but the strong likelihood would be that one of the parties was sexually abused by an adult beforehand.

NewLifeInTheSouth · 27/06/2021 18:53

it’s statutory rape, under 13s cannot consent in law.
I hope they DNA the baby in order to identify her rapist

what if it was a boy under 13?

pollylocketpickedapocket · 27/06/2021 18:55

I think it’s certainly possible that a gp wouldn’t have even seen a child with a swollen abdomen over the pandemic, it would probably have been put down to constipation? Some gps are actually dreadful and If the child’s mother/carer was easily fobbed off because of their own vulnerability? If this child was targeted by an adult then them bastards know who to pick on

LobotomisedIceSkatingFan · 27/06/2021 18:56

@NewLifeInTheSouth

it’s statutory rape, under 13s cannot consent in law. I hope they DNA the baby in order to identify her rapist

what if it was a boy under 13?

Then he probably wouldn't be prosecuted.
pollylocketpickedapocket · 27/06/2021 18:59

@thecatfromjapan

sleepingstznfingup It doesn't matter what they 'consider'. They're too young to give informed consent.

And, as I said before, for sexualised behaviour to come up that young, there will be grooming (by an adult) involved.

Will there necessarily be though? I’m not being goady I’m genuinely asking, with the easy access to extreme porn who’s to say some parents have been lapse with what their kids are watching?
BungleandGeorge · 27/06/2021 19:01

I’ve met quite a number of girls of 10 or 11 who are adult size. If she was fertile she probably wasn’t one of the tiny ones. However, the mind is still only 10, they might know the mechanics but they certainly aren’t forming ‘relationships’ and choosing to have sex. It’s rape, poor kid I hope they put every resource available into investigating

poptartsarefood · 27/06/2021 19:02

People grasping at straws hoping for some ten year old romance. This will be an older male in her home. It's disgraceful the way this poor child's rape is being sensationalised and treated like a Guinness world record event.

Hotelhelp · 27/06/2021 19:02

Absolutely horrific.

My 10 year old must weight about 4 stone. She’s perfectly healthy but almost skeletal in build. Pregnancy would break her body!!

LoonyMoony · 27/06/2021 19:03

This is horrendous and tragic irrespective of the circumstances.

I can’t stop thinking that she must’ve been so confused - first the rape, then the pregnancy/labour/birth - how does a 10/11 process that. Let alone sad, scared, worried, stressed, anxious. Poor little mite.

Ducksurprise · 27/06/2021 19:04

If the boy is the same age as he is, then he is a victim as well. I am very saddened to read this, and about the glorifying in the press.

EleanorOlephantisjustfine · 27/06/2021 19:04

@Isidore

What happens if the dad is also her age, as wouldn't they both be too young to consent / understand? The might have both decided to do it and neither can legally consent. What would happen in cases like that?
Nothing would happen prosecution wise in that case. It would be dealt with as a safeguarding issue. It’s more likely though that this is an adult male within the family unit and also that it’s been going on for some time.
Iwonder08 · 27/06/2021 19:05

It is almost impossible the father of the child was the same age (10). It is highly unlikely 10yo boy would be able to perform a penetrative sexual intercourse. It was either an older boy or a man. Either case he is guilty of rape. I hope someone will give her long term therapy, it will take years to even start repairing her mental health. Poor little girl.

NeverNotChasingDreams · 27/06/2021 19:05

Will there necessarily be though? I’m not being goady I’m genuinely asking, with the easy access to extreme porn who’s to say some parents have been lapse with what their kids are watching?

That would also be a safeguarding issue and neglect.
There is no possibly way to spin this that isn't abusive, whatever the situation.

GreenCrayon · 27/06/2021 19:06

Will there necessarily be though? I’m not being goady I’m genuinely asking, with the easy access to extreme porn who’s to say some parents have been lapse with what their kids are watching?

Statistically as much as we might want to hope otherwise yes its very likely there would be abuse and probably one of the 10 year olds would have been groomed at some point.

As I said however I feel that those thinking this might be two 10 year olds are clutching at rather large and very unlikely straws.

Hallyup6 · 27/06/2021 19:06

The father isn't 10. The odds of a boy that young being able to produce healthy sperm and having sex with a girl equally as young who has started to ovulate are so miniscule that it's not probable.

I'd wager that it's a relative who's a lot older. I hope the girl and her baby are both safe and kept together.

EleanorOlephantisjustfine · 27/06/2021 19:07

@SleepingStandingUp

Of course not catfromjapan, but my question was if they CONSIDERED themselves to be in a relationship, and both believed they knew what they wanted to do and both believed they were making a choice, what is the legal standpoint? I think one of the other families mentioned in the article the parents were slightly older but still below the age of consent.
A child under thirteen can’t consider or consent. It matters not, what the girl’s thought process was. She was raped.
HarrisMcCoo · 27/06/2021 19:08

@Soubriquet

A five year old did carry a child to term in Peru. Baby was born by c-section and raised as her brother. They never identified the father
What tragic circumstances. Horrific Sad
Bordois · 27/06/2021 19:14

I'd wager that it's a relative who's a lot older.

Yep, and as I alluded to earlier the family are claiming they didn't know she was pregnant to cover their own backsides

IDontLikeZombies · 27/06/2021 19:14

I only know the law in Scotland but here it is illegal to have sex with anyone under the age of 16 even if you are under 16 yourself. Whether it gets reported as crime or progresses through the criminal justice system to conviction depends on whether it's in the public interest. So 2 15 year olds in a respectful and loving relationship would be of no interest to the police but a 15 year old being coerced into sex by a 13 year old very much would,with the 13 year old being the perpetrator. It gives us the flexibility to protect children when they need it.
In this case, if both were under 13 both would have technically committed a crime but this would be handled as a child protection rather than a criminal one. Possibly there could be a case for child neglect against the people who should have been looking after them, I don't know.

In any case this is really sad, poor wee girl. I hope she gets the care and support she needs. Such a sad, terrible thing.

thecatfromjapan · 27/06/2021 19:17

It's not going to be another child that raped her. Almost certainly.

I am highly dubious about the intentions of the poster(s) that introduced this fantasy.