Most 'trans' people are non binary - EU survey

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https://tgeu.org/tgeu-publishes-trans-human-rights-realities-and-resilience-in-europe/

'65.5% of trans respondents identify as non-binary or gender diverse, marking this as the fastest-growing segment of the trans community (up from 51% in 2019)'

'The EU LGBTIQ Survey III report presents data from 30,627 trans people (trans women, trans men and non-binary and gender diverse people), which represent 30.6% of the total sample (99,972). This is a significant rise from 20,933 trans respondents in the previous LGBTI II Survey in 2019. The increase in trans respondents is especially notable considering that overall, there were almost 40,000 fewer respondents compared to the previous survey. '

I was surprised by this. Interested to see how 'non binary' evolves.

That would definitely make GC people trans?

The term non-binary in relation to gender identity emerged in the mid-1990s to early 2000s, growing out of 1980s and 1990s queer zine culture where the related term genderqueer was first popularized. While the general adjective "non-binary" has older roots in mathematics and science (appearing in text by 1941), its specific application to gender identities outside of man and woman gained traction through activists and academic literature around the turn of the 21st century.

I actually didn't think non-binary went this far back. I certainly didn't even hear of it until around 2018 at the earliest myself, and I'm very much LGBTQ (no, not all of them 😅)

Some days I find it all interesting (the history), other times I spend most of my time rubbing my temples. Someone I know is apparently Fae/Faer and I'm really confused by that one.

Edited for epic autocorrect fail.

No, I disagree.
They accept them for everyone else, but they think they're somehow different.

If they accepted that being male or female said absolutely nothing about you as a person then they'd be campaigning against the whole notion of gender identity.

I’m not surprised that NB is the biggest category. It takes zero effort, you don’t have to try to look like the opposite sex or behave in a certain way. You just have to say you are it. I had a NB student who was a married woman (married to a man), with long hair, large breasts, totally indistinguishable from any other woman, but insisted on a NB identity and they/them pronouns. So tedious.

Well of course we are, by their belief system.

That's how we know it's bollocks - not because we are "cis" and think that everyone else is really too, but because we realise far more than they do that not fealling really aligned to gender expectations evdn if sometimes you socially feel pressured to do so is just normal humanity!

😝 JFC.

I can’t keep up. Literally can’t. I’m hoping it will implode but it seems less and less likely.

So bisexual people are straight? Or trans?

Ah I see. Yeah I guess I don’t see the problem with providing a fourth space, as long as it isn’t done by sacrificing women’s spaces…

This particular part of the 2021 Census has been downgraded in statistical terms. It’s very embarrassing for ONS as it was shown the question was misunderstood by a lot of respondents.

It lead to the Office for Statistical Regulation (OSR) issuing guidance on methodology for ONS and anyone conducting survey’s.

I suspect that is why so many people didn't specify a gender, but I would assume that the people who identified as non-binary or another gender did understand the question.

I've posted about this before.

If you don't identify as the gender that alines with your sex then by gender identities own rules you must be a trans person.

So as far as trans is concerned, trans must include gender critical people that say they are not "cis".

It is why clear definitions are so important.

The questions were so badly worded/misunderstood that Newham had the highest % of people identifying as a gender different to their birth sex. It was primarily due to English being a second language.

Edited to add a lot of languages do not have separate words for sex and gender so one word means both.

Newham also had a high % of Muslim’s, again making the results questionable

As irritating as 'non-binary' is, that's a good thing, because the vast majority of them don't pursue mutilating and health damaging medical interventions like most 'binary' trans-identified (and typically very vulnerable) people do.

Are you sure about that? https://www.transresearch.org.au/post/nonbinarygahtgas

I have a grown up child who has told me they are non binary. When I asked what it meant, the answer was "I want people to think of me as a person rather than as a woman". I am not sure what to make of that but I am not sure that it is whiny, performative or attention seeking.

They think being a woman isn't even a person?
Or just that others think that?

Either way, you can see how it's all rooted in misogyny.

"A person, not a woman" - what a thoroughly depressing statement

I understood it to mean "I don't want people to focus on the fact that I am a woman, and treat me differently because of it". I don't know really. Is it rooted in misogyny? I am a man, I don't know what it feels like to be a woman.

It is utterly rooted in misogyny.

What your daughter is saying is that all the rest of us women who are not calling ourselves non binary have actively chosen to be treated as second class citizens.

Come on. You may be a man, but surely you aren’t an idiot. No woman wants to be treated differently because she is a woman - or do you think we all love it, really, the lower pay and the expectation that we will do all the housework and the assumption that we all love fashion and can’t do maths? But misogyny exists, so here we are. Many of us try to change the system - your daughter is trying to pretend she can escape the system. She can’t. And she is insulting those of us who don’t try to pretend we can.

If anything, I think being nonbinary & using they/them is likely to draw more attention to your daughter’s sex, not less.

From your username I'm guessing you are a bloke?

Maybe next time ask her, curiously rather than confrontationally, if that means she thinks of her mother as a woman rather than a person?

You never know, it might start her thinking a bit more critically about things.

Yes because all other women just love not being g treated as a person!

its classic NB "In not like other other girls, I'm diffetent, I'm special, those other girls must like all the everyday sexist crap but not me"

she's a woman, she can't identify her way out of misogyny just by saying "call me they"

Of course it's rooted in misogyny.

It's rooted in the assumption that all the other women haven't tried or don't want to be seen as a person first, but your child is different and special and other to boring everyday women who live the female stereotype without realising the world could be different.

Your daughter doesn't realise that the women she sees in the world only seem to fit stereotypical womanhood because that is how your daughter sees them. It's her own sexism that reduces them, not who they actually are.

No, I have friends who say they are NB (both female). They are sensitive and intelligent. I'd suggest it's a rejection of womanhood, likely due to trauma in their cases.

I expect many of us can understand why women would prefer to try to opt out of sexism. An attempt to control other people's responses. Unfortunately it doesn't really work like that.

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Then she's welcome to joint the sisterhood! Does she really think all us grown women love being stereotyped on the basis of our sex? They've been led to believe that the way out of that is to be non-binary, but it won't protect them because everyone, everyone knows what sex they are. Their boring old feminist mothers are the way out

Well that's not surprising. NB is the least effort of the trans identities. You don't really need to do anything other than say you are non-binary and tell people to call you they/them. All the social cache with none of the pain.

Its like bulimia was the most prevalent of the eating disorders as its the least effort eating disorder to have.

The least effort of anything will always win the social contagion war.

Sadly though, a focus of being non-binary - for women -does seem to be self-harming through breast binding or even mastectomy. Funny that. All a man needs to do is wear 'interesting' arty clothes and paint his nails.