Most 'trans' people are non binary - EU survey

[WrongKindOfFeminist]

https://tgeu.org/tgeu-publishes-trans-human-rights-realities-and-resilience-in-europe/

'65.5% of trans respondents identify as non-binary or gender diverse, marking this as the fastest-growing segment of the trans community (up from 51% in 2019)'

'The EU LGBTIQ Survey III report presents data from 30,627 trans people (trans women, trans men and non-binary and gender diverse people), which represent 30.6% of the total sample (99,972). This is a significant rise from 20,933 trans respondents in the previous LGBTI II Survey in 2019. The increase in trans respondents is especially notable considering that overall, there were almost 40,000 fewer respondents compared to the previous survey. '

I was surprised by this. Interested to see how 'non binary' evolves.

'good stereotype' as in good meaning clear / obvious / definitely a stereotype...

as in a good example of a stereotype

not as in good versus bad on a ethical or moral basis...

'Over three-quarters (76.7%) of trans respondents are single. Of those who are married,slightly more are married to different sex partners (8.6%) than to same sex partners (7.7%). Additionally, 4.6% are divorced.'

The way the survey bounces from 'gender' to 'sex' is dizzying.

But that was to be expected.

This seems in line with the 2021 UK census

A total of 262,000 people (0.5%) answered “No”, indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth. Within this group:

• 118,000 (0.24%) answered “No” but did not provide a write-in response
• 48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans man
• 48,000 (0.10%) identified as a trans woman
• 30,000 (0.06%) identified as non-binary
• 18,000 (0.04%) wrote in a different gender identity

It's not clear if the 0.24% who didn't specify an identity understood the question, but of those who did answer, even 5 years ago, a third identified as neither a man nor a woman.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/genderidentity/bulletins/genderidentityenglandandwales/census2021

'1.8% of the respondents (1871 people) said they would describe themselves as intersex persons.16 This data is proportional to the estimate that 1.7% of the general population is born with intersex traits. Notably, more intersex people took part in this edition of the survey compared to the EU LGBTI II survey, where 0.6% (877 people) of the respondents described themselves as intersex.
Almost two of three (64.4%) of intersex respondents are trans persons, the remaining third, 35.6%, are cis LGBIQ people.'

An increase in trans people claiming to be intersex.

Age

'Over two in three trans respondents (71.5%) are under the age of 39, making the trans sample very young. 6.8% are older than 55.

The majority of trans youth identify as non-binary (58.7% of 15-17 year olds and 64.2% of 18-24 year olds).

There are apparent age differences across gender identities. Trans men are the
youngest subgroup, with 49.3% aged 24 or under, and only 18.8% aged 40 or over. Trans women represent the oldest subgroup, with 41.8% aged 40 or more and just 22.9% aged 24 or under.

Intersex trans respondents (50.1% aged 40+) and trans people with LGR (43.3% aged 40+) have a notably older profile than the trans average. These two subgroups, along with trans women, make up the three oldest average age subgroups in the survey.'

Race

'Only 2.5% of trans (and 2.2% cis LGBIQ) respondents identify themselves as a minority in terms of skin colour.'

'The EU LGBTIQ Survey III report presents data from 30,627 trans people (trans women, trans men and non-binary and gender diverse people), which represent 30.6% of the total sample (99,972). This is a significant rise from 20,933 trans respondents in the previous LGBTI II Survey in 2019. The increase in trans respondents is especially notable considering that overall, there were almost 40,000 fewer respondents compared to the previous survey. '

This is confusing. What does the 'total sample' mean? Is it everyone who answered a survey from the general population, trans or not?
This suggests that the word has got out among the trans 'community', so more and more of them are opting in to answer this particular survey. Which means biased results.

Some really, really poor statistical, sampling, and survey methods here.

Disability

'Almost one in five, 18.1%, of trans respondents report being disabled18, which is over three times the rate of cis LGBIQ respondents (5.4%) and slightly above the global average (16%).19 This rate has increased by 50% since 2019 (12%)'

Technically I think huge swathes of people could be trans as they don't have a gender identity and are agender, which is under the trans umbrella. Most wouldn't equate that with what a lot of TRAs suggest being trans is, i.e involving "changing sex" or something similar.

There is so much contradiction involved in the whole concept of "gender identities matching sexes or not', which is why "no debate" was the mantra.

If they were actually required to name one difference between a man and a woman they would be exposed as regressively sexist and homophobic, so they can't do it.

I still think trans people would be served far far better if they were acknowledged to be people who wished to be the opposite sex or sexless. Rather than this insistence that being a man or woman, literally, is only based on feelings

Any study that refers to the Anne Fausto-Sterling 1.7% statistic is automatically suspect.

Exactly the same here!

indicating that their gender identity was different from their sex registered at birth.

Sex and gender identity are different things so they are different in everyone. Just as everyone's hair colour is different from their star sign.

Spicy straight people, amirite?

I have to admit that the poor survey method is going to be kind of baked in.

Methodology is in the Annex:

'This report was based on an intersectional, disaggregated statistical
analysis of the data from the EU LGBTIQ Survey III conducted by the
European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights in 2023.

Inclusion criteria

The survey was open to individuals who were 15 years of age or older who identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, intersex and/or queer. The survey was conducted online only, and was open to residents of the EU27, plus Albania, North Macedonia and Serbia, from 2 June to 22 August 2023. Respondents were required to have lived for at least 1year in one of the 30 countries covered by the survey.

Recruitment

Dissemination of the survey predominantly took place online. The FRA developed a promotional campaign, where a network of national survey promoters as well as European and national LGBTIQ organisations were engaged. A significant part of the distribution took place on LGBTIQ-specific online platforms and social media including dating applications. While these forms of dissemination definitely assured mass promotion of the survey, it’s important to acknowledge not all trans or LGBIQ subgroups are able to participate in such forms of community involvement, engagement and socialising, especially disabled and/or neurodiverse people, people with low income, asylum seekers, refugees and migrants, etc. Respondents were
asked about how and where they learned about the survey. Two-thirds (66.6%) of respondents found out about the survey via social media. One in five (21.4%) were told about the survey from somebody told or were sent the link. A further 6.8% of trans respondents received an email from an LGBTIQ organisation or online network.
This was a particularly effective recruitment strategy for trans asylum seekers/
refugees (15.4%*) and older trans people (12%). The largest discrepancy in source of dissemination between trans and cis LGBIQ participants was promotion within datingapps (cis LGBIQ: 11% vs. trans: 4.4%).'

'The survey used the word ‘trans’ as a “broad umbrella term that includes all those who are transgender, non-binary, gender variant, polygender, agender, genderfluid, cross dressers, transsexual, or men and women with a transsexual past, and other terms”.45
This report also used the term ‘trans’ as an umbrella term that includes people who have a gender identity that is different from their gender assigned at birth and people who wish to portray their gender identity in a way that is different from expectations based on their gender assigned at birth. This can include, among many others, transsexual and transgender people, nonbinary people, transvestites, cross dressers, agender, multigender, genderqueer people, intersex, and gender diverse people who relate to or identify as any of the above.46
The questions in the survey’s trans-specific section (TR) were unfortunately better suited to the experiences of trans women and trans men, than the 65.5% non-binary and gender diverse majority.'

😂

100% agree.

If you can’t get the previous science right, why should we think that you’re getting your own science right.

I also wonder what unintended consequences there might be?

This is what I am worried about. Creating a societal trend where everyone is "the same" (non-binary) will greatly disadvantage women. We are not the same as men, and our differences are because of sex, not what clothes we wear or the things we like to do.

A Conversion Act would have many disastrous consequences for family relationships, the courts, etc. But it would also open the door to "non-binary" in law, by default. And we would be right back to the beginning of this mess again.

On the face of it, getting rid of gender stereotypes would be great. Trying to deny sex realism and the binary nature of our biological bodies, and writing that out of (or into) law would not.

ed sp

https://bsky.app/profile/rya.nc/post/3mp4ybmcygc27

'Update on my legal case: The European Court of Human Rights has accepted the filing of my claim against the UK. The next step will be a judicial review to confirm admissibility, but I have no idea how long of a queue there is for that. Assuming it's admissible, a hearing will then be allocated.'

Ryan Castellucci, June 2026, seeking to get nonbinary status legal recognition in the UK.

presents data from 30,627 trans people (trans women, trans men and non-binary and gender diverse people), which represent 30.6% of the total sample (99,972)

But also
The survey was open to individuals who were 15 years of age or older who identified as lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, intersex and/or queer.

So the whole population who responded is LGBTQI, but of those 30% of respondents are T, NB, and possibly Q or GD.

Meaning 70% of respondents must be the LGB.
But the website (and the report?) focuses exclusively on the 30% T/NB/Q
Ignoring the 70% LGB who answered.

(insert big eye roll here)

I am a bit ignorant of the nonbinary subject.

Can someone explain to me how you can be a trans woman but be nonbinary?

I thought nonbinary was gender fluid so why do you need to be a woman or am I mssing the point? I don't know anyone in my life with different pronouns or trans so asking here.

The survey used the word ‘trans’ as a “broad umbrella term that includes all those who are transgender, non-binary, gender variant, polygender, agender

Agender people don't have a gender identity, or "reject gender identification", so that includes a lot of gender- critical people.

Many years ago there was someone on here who identified as gender-free at work and was invited to input into the trans groups etc. I would love to know how that turned out (think threads were deleted as potentially outing).

I think that's one of the big issues here. There is no one definition that everyone agrees on, and there is no UK legal definition of non-binary, beyond what @WrongKindOfFeminist has already posted, as far as I am aware:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/equality-act-2010-code-of-practice-for-services-public-functions-and-associations-2026/equality-act-2010-draft-code-of-practice-for-services-public-functions-and-associations-2026
2.44 People with non-binary or gender fluid identities will only be protected if they meet the definition of gender reassignment as set out in the Act. They may also be protected against discrimination by perception (read paragraph 4.51 to paragraph 4.53).

[my bold]

"perception" can have many definitions in law, and I'm not sure it has been tested in the courts yet, aside from Ryan Castellucci.

Some people call themselves nonbinary and also say they are trans.

Not all trans people are nonbinary and not all nonbinary people call themselves trans.

I mean the lack of coherent definitions is a massive part of the problem - laws and rules are being written without clear understanding.

Because all of these things - 'trans' and 'nonbinary' and 'genderfluid' are all things that cannot be observed, tested for, or falsified, or shown to be absent.

They all amount to a declaration.

'Trans' includes 'intending to undergo a process of transition'.