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Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

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fromorbit · 02/05/2026 11:45

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Greens internal drama warms up | Mumsnet

New long article looking at the drama inside the Greens over biology suddenly existing again despite their best efforts. *How the Green Party forgot...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

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Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 07:42

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 04:37

Well it may be that the Green Party is facing a bit of an implosion from extremist elements.

There's a motion due today that threatens to split MPs and the senior leadership from voting members. There's a fair chance Hypnotits is in trouble if it passes. Especially if he doesn't win the up coming by-election.

It's an anti Zionism motion which looks suspiciously like anti-Semitism.

There's a bunch of statements gone out today from the MPs opposing the motion. They are concerned it will pass.

Worth watching what happens and what the fall out is.

Labour has mostly (I’m sure not entirely) passed its batshit antisemitism contingent to the Greens, so I imagine it will pass.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 07:43

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2026 23:51

Here's a new word for today: 'homonationalism'

https://muslimgreens.greenparty.org.uk/

'Section 8: Understanding How Homonationalism Harms Muslims and Queer Justice, and its Colonial Roots
Homonationalism has become a key aspect of how queer people’s struggle for liberation and equal rights is being appropriated by bad-faith actors to marginalise Muslims. Homonationalism is the use of LGBTQ+ rights campaigns to justify harming racialised, Global Majority background communities and migrants, to distract people from the systemic violence being committed against marginalized communities, including queer people, around the world. It is often specifically wielded against Muslim communities, arguing that Muslims and Islam as a whole are uniquely queerphobic, and a threat to the safety of queer people in the UK, both through political and cultural influence through to physical harm.
The idea that Muslim identity and Islam is in some way based around hating and marginalizing queer communities is itself a form of Islamophobia and anti Muslim hate. It presents the view that not only are Muslims intrinsically queerphobic, but also erases the existence of queer Muslims and conceals the continued harm being done to queer people by the UK government, the media, and the far-right, particularly around trans rights.
Often associated with radical misrepresentations of Islam through extremist ideologies and countries with harsh penal codes against those identifying as LGBTQIA+, while there are Muslims who hold queerphobic views that contradict Islamic values of peace, respect and harmony this does not represent the mainstream Muslims living in the United Kingdom. Islam should not be used as an excuse by such individuals to justify queerphobia.
Queerphobic legislation in many Muslim majority countries is deeply tied to colonialism. The British Empire’s ambition to transform different cultures and societies into ones that mirrored the forms of violence and oppression that existed in the UK at the time produced the vast majority of queerphobic legislation in colonies in South Asia, the Middle East and Africa. To propose that Muslims are uniquely queerphobic because of Islam denies acknowledging how modern day queerphobia is strongly rooted in the British Empire, culture, and society.'

That is spectacular.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 08:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 07:42

Labour has mostly (I’m sure not entirely) passed its batshit antisemitism contingent to the Greens, so I imagine it will pass.

There is much delight in most Labour Party circles that the trash has taken itself out.

BackToLurk · Yesterday 08:09

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2026 23:51

Here's a new word for today: 'homonationalism'

https://muslimgreens.greenparty.org.uk/

'Section 8: Understanding How Homonationalism Harms Muslims and Queer Justice, and its Colonial Roots
Homonationalism has become a key aspect of how queer people’s struggle for liberation and equal rights is being appropriated by bad-faith actors to marginalise Muslims. Homonationalism is the use of LGBTQ+ rights campaigns to justify harming racialised, Global Majority background communities and migrants, to distract people from the systemic violence being committed against marginalized communities, including queer people, around the world. It is often specifically wielded against Muslim communities, arguing that Muslims and Islam as a whole are uniquely queerphobic, and a threat to the safety of queer people in the UK, both through political and cultural influence through to physical harm.
The idea that Muslim identity and Islam is in some way based around hating and marginalizing queer communities is itself a form of Islamophobia and anti Muslim hate. It presents the view that not only are Muslims intrinsically queerphobic, but also erases the existence of queer Muslims and conceals the continued harm being done to queer people by the UK government, the media, and the far-right, particularly around trans rights.
Often associated with radical misrepresentations of Islam through extremist ideologies and countries with harsh penal codes against those identifying as LGBTQIA+, while there are Muslims who hold queerphobic views that contradict Islamic values of peace, respect and harmony this does not represent the mainstream Muslims living in the United Kingdom. Islam should not be used as an excuse by such individuals to justify queerphobia.
Queerphobic legislation in many Muslim majority countries is deeply tied to colonialism. The British Empire’s ambition to transform different cultures and societies into ones that mirrored the forms of violence and oppression that existed in the UK at the time produced the vast majority of queerphobic legislation in colonies in South Asia, the Middle East and Africa. To propose that Muslims are uniquely queerphobic because of Islam denies acknowledging how modern day queerphobia is strongly rooted in the British Empire, culture, and society.'

I’ve seen this argument before in relation to various parts of the world. “Homophobia is a colonial import”.

iwishitwouldstartraining · Yesterday 08:40

ArabellaScott · 03/10/2026 23:51

Here's a new word for today: 'homonationalism'

https://muslimgreens.greenparty.org.uk/

'Section 8: Understanding How Homonationalism Harms Muslims and Queer Justice, and its Colonial Roots
Homonationalism has become a key aspect of how queer people’s struggle for liberation and equal rights is being appropriated by bad-faith actors to marginalise Muslims. Homonationalism is the use of LGBTQ+ rights campaigns to justify harming racialised, Global Majority background communities and migrants, to distract people from the systemic violence being committed against marginalized communities, including queer people, around the world. It is often specifically wielded against Muslim communities, arguing that Muslims and Islam as a whole are uniquely queerphobic, and a threat to the safety of queer people in the UK, both through political and cultural influence through to physical harm.
The idea that Muslim identity and Islam is in some way based around hating and marginalizing queer communities is itself a form of Islamophobia and anti Muslim hate. It presents the view that not only are Muslims intrinsically queerphobic, but also erases the existence of queer Muslims and conceals the continued harm being done to queer people by the UK government, the media, and the far-right, particularly around trans rights.
Often associated with radical misrepresentations of Islam through extremist ideologies and countries with harsh penal codes against those identifying as LGBTQIA+, while there are Muslims who hold queerphobic views that contradict Islamic values of peace, respect and harmony this does not represent the mainstream Muslims living in the United Kingdom. Islam should not be used as an excuse by such individuals to justify queerphobia.
Queerphobic legislation in many Muslim majority countries is deeply tied to colonialism. The British Empire’s ambition to transform different cultures and societies into ones that mirrored the forms of violence and oppression that existed in the UK at the time produced the vast majority of queerphobic legislation in colonies in South Asia, the Middle East and Africa. To propose that Muslims are uniquely queerphobic because of Islam denies acknowledging how modern day queerphobia is strongly rooted in the British Empire, culture, and society.'

while there are Muslims who hold queerphobic views that contradict Islamic values of peace, respect and harmony this does not represent the mainstream Muslims living in the United Kingdom

So the ‘mainstream’ coloniser perspective is superior? I feel they haven’t tied themselves in enough knots yet.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 09:04

iwishitwouldstartraining · Yesterday 08:40

while there are Muslims who hold queerphobic views that contradict Islamic values of peace, respect and harmony this does not represent the mainstream Muslims living in the United Kingdom

So the ‘mainstream’ coloniser perspective is superior? I feel they haven’t tied themselves in enough knots yet.

So are they saying that Muslims in secular countries are better Muslims than the Muslims in Islamic Theocracies. 'Cos that sounds like something that's gonna get them a 'fatwa'.

Lalgarh · Yesterday 09:45

Homonationalism!

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 09:45

Has Mothin Ali really signed up to that?

Lalgarh · Yesterday 09:52

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 06:26

Islam is the coloniser, there were many religions practised in the middle east before the people were forced to convert to Islam, at the point of a sword. Not much difference to how Christianity spread all over the world really.
To claim that Islam isn't homophobic is a non-starter, only idiot political parties (Labour, Greens, etc) who are more concerned with securing votes than telling the truth would pretend otherwise.

Well quite.

And there's really quite a lot of Sharia jurisprudence on this topic that predates anything Clive of India might have done

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 09:52

This is a controversial opinion but I do think there's merit to it which I'll explain.

Adam Langleben is the executive director at progress - a labour thinktank.

I've followed him on twitter since I think 2017 when it was all kicking off in the Labour party with Corbyn and anti-Semitism. He's Jewish and stressed how bad it was for Jewish party members and the impact it was having.

Adam Langleben AT Adam Langleben
My prediction:
The loony Green motion will pass tomorrow. The Green MPs rightly will vote against this (the most antisemitic proposition put to a political party outside of the far right ever). Greens will lose Holborn & St Pancras.

The nutters will blame the leadership/MPs for not being pure enough. Polanski & the MPs will all face threats of deselection. Polanski will be challenged by Ali at the next scheduled leadership election. The remaining MPs will face an almighty choice on what to do next.

Let me explain why its a far right motion. The impact on the Gov of Israel is Zero. Netanyahu couldnt give a toss about the GPEW. But the impact on British Jews is this: it becomes official policy of the Green Party to crudely decide which Jews are good and which Jews are bad. /1

That Green Party control councils that have tens of thousands of Jews who identify as Zionist (many with no political views apart from a belief post the Holocaust that Jews need a safehaven). /2

It has impact on synagogues, schools and the ability of any Green politician to speak to a Jew without conducting a crude test on whether this or that Jew meets a test that 90% of Jews cannot reach because of history. /3

It assumes every British Jew wishes harm on Palestinians, which is so far from the truth. Forget any politics. For 2000 years Jews pray facing east and our liturgy contains references of a return to Zion (Jsrusalem). Do our prayer books need to be changed? /4

It creates a modern situation almost akin to the Crusades. The only way for Jews to be safe is to accept their wrongdoing (there was none) and convert to Christianity, or else. In this case its an ideological purity test that cannot be met.

All this for one of the smallest minority communities in Britain. That has thousands of years of majorities in countries that they have lived demanding such mad tests. Google: Oath More Judaico, the inquisition, the anti-cosmopolitan campaign in the USSR or Poland in 1968.

Other examples are available. But broadly. History is littered with demanding such tests. Normally only for Jews.

Lastly. It will create an inquisition within the Green Party. Loads of Green politicians will take a liberal read of this document and still meet with Jews, visit school or attend synagogues (if those places will have them after this).

But for those more hardcore in the group pushing this motion, their reading is far more conservative. The next step will be to accuse those Greens of betrayal. There will be complaints and in time pushes to make this outlawed.

But the extreme elements pushing this believe that Zionists (Jews) control everything. They are angry and obsessed. And for them it isnt just Israel that needs to be "dezionised", but Britain too (as per David Miller's writing).

We already know that there a purity test going on with regards to TWAW so I don't actually think this is that wild in his assessment. He's generally been a fairly moderate and consistent voice for left wing Jewish voters in the UK and is anti Netanyahu.

There's something else that fits here too.

Over the last few years there's definitely been moves across the country with a "Muslim vote". There were the accusations of Family Voting by a election observation group which didn't get upheld but there's other stuff too.

There's been a number of constituencies where independents have stood as Muslim candidates largely on a Gaza platform and were elected. They then formed a parliamentary group with Jeremy Corbyn to work together but not actually have a political party. These are Shockat Adam (Leicester South), Iqbal Mohamed (Dewsbury and Batley), Adnan Hussain (Blackburn) and Ayoub Khan (Birmingham Perry Barr).

We've also had George Galloway in this space - and he's actually standing in the Holborn by-election against Polanski so this is particularly relevant in terms of what might happen. He could well split the vote - allowing Labour to retain the seat and put Polanski in a difficult position. By all accounts Polanski had a late jitter about standing and wanted someone else to because he had a wobble over winning. I think Polanski is in danger of FAFO over the whole By-election. (The Communist Party are also standing are critical of both btw).

Galloway has long occupied this infamous space where the far left meets the far right and tbh isn't easy to conclusively place in the political spectrum. His history of being pro-russian and pro-iranian and doing interviews for TV networks in both is somewhat notorious.

What's happening with the greens could well be something of a consolation of these forces within the party. It would tie in with the Gorton By-election voting too.

I would argue there's definitely a base for this within British politics at this point which should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as a 'far right alarmist fear' as it's unlikely to just disappear. Religious sectarian political parties are always bad news imho. Doesn't matter what religion.

My question would be whether there'll ultimately be room within the green party for the trans rights activists a little further down the line given Ali refused to express support for LGBT+ rights in his deputy leader campaign. He has said that the far right are after both and their fight is one but if this does evolve in this direction, he will have less need to keep support of trans activists.

So yeah I think it's a see what happens thing because I think the future of the Green Party is being battled over and it's not about environmentalism as it's primary direction.

I do think there's going to be significant political changes in the UK over the next couple of years because it's likely energy prices and other economic factors are going to create another economic crisis - this puts social pressure most on those at the bottom of the economic food chain and that tends to be immigrants and the white working class so I can only see increased rising tension and polarisation happening along these lines because of the economic underpinnings.

Trans activism has a major problem in that it's a bunch of people asking for money for their transition and that just isn't going to fit with people struggling to feed families. It's a movement for the middle classes who are going to get squeezed hard - I think it will be increasing less of a priority to virtue signal. Food banks are a hard sell as a photo op for wealthy celebrities so that'll be interesting in terms of where the celebrity cause goes. I think there may be a few out of work, hit hard times celebrities who use them to try and promote themselves and get a job though.

So yeah. I think it is pretty fair to see this as something of an existential vote for the green party and one that puts Polanski in a very difficult position.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 10:04

I could easily see fallout to all this will be the Green Party morphing into the Muslim Brotherhood Party, under another name, because the MB is a banned organisation.

It's getting more and more like Hitlers playbook by the minute.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 10:08

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 09:52

This is a controversial opinion but I do think there's merit to it which I'll explain.

Adam Langleben is the executive director at progress - a labour thinktank.

I've followed him on twitter since I think 2017 when it was all kicking off in the Labour party with Corbyn and anti-Semitism. He's Jewish and stressed how bad it was for Jewish party members and the impact it was having.

Adam Langleben AT Adam Langleben
My prediction:
The loony Green motion will pass tomorrow. The Green MPs rightly will vote against this (the most antisemitic proposition put to a political party outside of the far right ever). Greens will lose Holborn & St Pancras.

The nutters will blame the leadership/MPs for not being pure enough. Polanski & the MPs will all face threats of deselection. Polanski will be challenged by Ali at the next scheduled leadership election. The remaining MPs will face an almighty choice on what to do next.

Let me explain why its a far right motion. The impact on the Gov of Israel is Zero. Netanyahu couldnt give a toss about the GPEW. But the impact on British Jews is this: it becomes official policy of the Green Party to crudely decide which Jews are good and which Jews are bad. /1

That Green Party control councils that have tens of thousands of Jews who identify as Zionist (many with no political views apart from a belief post the Holocaust that Jews need a safehaven). /2

It has impact on synagogues, schools and the ability of any Green politician to speak to a Jew without conducting a crude test on whether this or that Jew meets a test that 90% of Jews cannot reach because of history. /3

It assumes every British Jew wishes harm on Palestinians, which is so far from the truth. Forget any politics. For 2000 years Jews pray facing east and our liturgy contains references of a return to Zion (Jsrusalem). Do our prayer books need to be changed? /4

It creates a modern situation almost akin to the Crusades. The only way for Jews to be safe is to accept their wrongdoing (there was none) and convert to Christianity, or else. In this case its an ideological purity test that cannot be met.

All this for one of the smallest minority communities in Britain. That has thousands of years of majorities in countries that they have lived demanding such mad tests. Google: Oath More Judaico, the inquisition, the anti-cosmopolitan campaign in the USSR or Poland in 1968.

Other examples are available. But broadly. History is littered with demanding such tests. Normally only for Jews.

Lastly. It will create an inquisition within the Green Party. Loads of Green politicians will take a liberal read of this document and still meet with Jews, visit school or attend synagogues (if those places will have them after this).

But for those more hardcore in the group pushing this motion, their reading is far more conservative. The next step will be to accuse those Greens of betrayal. There will be complaints and in time pushes to make this outlawed.

But the extreme elements pushing this believe that Zionists (Jews) control everything. They are angry and obsessed. And for them it isnt just Israel that needs to be "dezionised", but Britain too (as per David Miller's writing).

We already know that there a purity test going on with regards to TWAW so I don't actually think this is that wild in his assessment. He's generally been a fairly moderate and consistent voice for left wing Jewish voters in the UK and is anti Netanyahu.

There's something else that fits here too.

Over the last few years there's definitely been moves across the country with a "Muslim vote". There were the accusations of Family Voting by a election observation group which didn't get upheld but there's other stuff too.

There's been a number of constituencies where independents have stood as Muslim candidates largely on a Gaza platform and were elected. They then formed a parliamentary group with Jeremy Corbyn to work together but not actually have a political party. These are Shockat Adam (Leicester South), Iqbal Mohamed (Dewsbury and Batley), Adnan Hussain (Blackburn) and Ayoub Khan (Birmingham Perry Barr).

We've also had George Galloway in this space - and he's actually standing in the Holborn by-election against Polanski so this is particularly relevant in terms of what might happen. He could well split the vote - allowing Labour to retain the seat and put Polanski in a difficult position. By all accounts Polanski had a late jitter about standing and wanted someone else to because he had a wobble over winning. I think Polanski is in danger of FAFO over the whole By-election. (The Communist Party are also standing are critical of both btw).

Galloway has long occupied this infamous space where the far left meets the far right and tbh isn't easy to conclusively place in the political spectrum. His history of being pro-russian and pro-iranian and doing interviews for TV networks in both is somewhat notorious.

What's happening with the greens could well be something of a consolation of these forces within the party. It would tie in with the Gorton By-election voting too.

I would argue there's definitely a base for this within British politics at this point which should be acknowledged rather than dismissed as a 'far right alarmist fear' as it's unlikely to just disappear. Religious sectarian political parties are always bad news imho. Doesn't matter what religion.

My question would be whether there'll ultimately be room within the green party for the trans rights activists a little further down the line given Ali refused to express support for LGBT+ rights in his deputy leader campaign. He has said that the far right are after both and their fight is one but if this does evolve in this direction, he will have less need to keep support of trans activists.

So yeah I think it's a see what happens thing because I think the future of the Green Party is being battled over and it's not about environmentalism as it's primary direction.

I do think there's going to be significant political changes in the UK over the next couple of years because it's likely energy prices and other economic factors are going to create another economic crisis - this puts social pressure most on those at the bottom of the economic food chain and that tends to be immigrants and the white working class so I can only see increased rising tension and polarisation happening along these lines because of the economic underpinnings.

Trans activism has a major problem in that it's a bunch of people asking for money for their transition and that just isn't going to fit with people struggling to feed families. It's a movement for the middle classes who are going to get squeezed hard - I think it will be increasing less of a priority to virtue signal. Food banks are a hard sell as a photo op for wealthy celebrities so that'll be interesting in terms of where the celebrity cause goes. I think there may be a few out of work, hit hard times celebrities who use them to try and promote themselves and get a job though.

So yeah. I think it is pretty fair to see this as something of an existential vote for the green party and one that puts Polanski in a very difficult position.

He sounds right on the money to me. Will look out for him.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 10:14

For comparison, here's Rachel Millward's

https://greenparty.org.uk/2026/10/03/rachel-millwards-speech-to-conference-in-full/

(no need to read either, just look at the shape on the page)

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 10:16

Although I did notice Rachel said re Mothin that : 'He has THE BEST HUGS'.

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 10:18

Daniel Sugarman - Deputy Editor of JewishNewsUk

  1. Although it feels like I am shouting into the void about this sometimes, I want to share some thoughts on the “Zionism is Racism” motion which the Green Party is due to debate in the next 10 hours, to address various points which I think people in general should know.
  2. Despite disingenuous protestations to the contrary, this motion does EXACTLY what its fans claim to oppose - conflates Zionism with Judaism. The language around “Zionist synagogues” is so completely open ended it will end up applying to most Jews, whether Zionist or not.
  3. The proposers of this motion were given every opportunity to change the language. The fact that they did not do so is testament to the fact that they WANT this definition to be as broadly general as possible, and define as many Jews as possible as suspect.
  4. If you treat Zionism - which is the belief to the Jewish people’s right to a country in their historic homeland as racist based on how history has played out, both Communism & Palestinian nationalism are racist horror shows too. No such motion for them, naturally.
  5. The claim this motion's proponents simply want 1 state with equal rights for all is destroyed by the fact the group pushing it refer to Algeria (a terrible comparison for many reasons, not least because the Pieds Noirs were essentially offered ‘the Coffin or the Suitcase’.)
  6. Likewise, the group’s mention of the “Thawabet” shows how bogus their claim that they merely want equal rights for all is. The language of the “Palestinian National Charter” suggests that 99% of Jews in Israel would be deemed ineligible for Palestinian citizenship
  7. It’s kind of like how the most commonly used Arabic equivalent of the “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” chant, when translated, reads “from the water to the water, Palestine is Arab”
  8. The majority of Jews in Israel today trace their origins to the Arab states they were largely forced out of in the last 75 years (an act of vast regional ethnic cleansing itself, which the far left try and blame on ludicrous claims - eg. Avi Shlaim’s - of Zionist shadow ops).
  9. While I suppose it’s something that some Green MPs have publicly opposed the motion with 24 hours to go, they sat back & allowed this motion & its backers to build up to now.

Everyone knew it would come back to this conference. Waiting until now to speak up was a choice.
10) Behind the milquetoast wording of their messages, when you distill it down, what these Green MPs are saying is this:

We loathe Israel’s conduct, but this motion is going to cast a net so wide that it will pull most Jews in. Which is why we can’t vote for it.
11) Various Jewish communal organisations wrote to Green Party leadership on Friday, making the following points, which they have made before. They have received no answer, because the Green Party has no real answer to give
12) If the Green party adopts this motion, the vast majority of British Jews (even many who are vocal critics of the Israeli government, even a section of those 10% or so of British Jews who consider themselves explicitly anti-Zionist) will see the Greens as an antisemitic party
13) I know there are still Green party members on here. If your party passes this motion, you'll be viewed by many Jews as no different to any far right party.

If that sounds bizarre to you, I want you to think - really, truly think - about the next post in this thread:
14) Imagine people deciding you are unworthy of a basic level of standing in general society, based on a belief you hold specifically because the last 2,000 years of the history of your people has shown, repeatedly, that it’s not just rational, but vital, for you to hold it.
15) I’ll leave it there. If you’ve got this far, thanks for reading. If you feel you can, please share. If you feel uncomfortable doing that, please like any posts that particularly spoke to you.

Thank you.

Thread ends.

Lalgarh · Yesterday 10:20

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Yesterday 10:04

I could easily see fallout to all this will be the Green Party morphing into the Muslim Brotherhood Party, under another name, because the MB is a banned organisation.

It's getting more and more like Hitlers playbook by the minute.

Polanski has been trying to walk the tightrope by muttering about false flag operations by Israel

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 10:21

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/board-jlc-and-cst-urge-greens-not-to-adopt-overtly-antisemitic-political-platform/

'this motion would make the Green Party the first electorally significant UK political party in living memory to adopt what appears to be an overtly antisemitic political platform.”'

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 10:25

The motion, as you can see from the above tweet, is producing real fear.

I personally don't have a lot of time for Gaza/Israel politics as a topic because it's a complete shitshow and honestly I don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to it, given the degree of clusterfuck.

I do however have a fair amount of sympathy for British Jews caught in the absolute shitshow of the crossfire right now because they are damned whatever they think and that's not right from the perspective of this being the UK and everyone supposedly being free to live and freedom of religion.

It's unnerving and through the lens of the very existence of the Equality Act and Human Rights is quite the thing given the Green Party champion themselves as the upholder of rights and liberty.

You don't even have to be sympathetic to Zionism to see why this is ultimately a problem.

ArabellaScott · Yesterday 10:31

Greens for Palestine have published a helpful booklet.

'Only racists, genocidaires and supporters of apartheid can argue (and kill) for the continuation of Zionism,' (page 25)

https://greens4palestine.uk/press

https://greens4palestine.uk/press

fromorbit · Yesterday 10:32

The Greens are not too busy being awful to Jews to have time for an even bigger problem - women talking about women stuff !

Green Women's Declaration
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26m

We are hearing reports from inside the GreenPartyWomen
fringe that they have been invaded by Trans Rights Activists trying to close down the presentation about Women’s pelvic floor health by GussieGrips
We are disgusted by this and send love & solidarity to our sisters

OP posts:
Lalgarh · Yesterday 10:35

I tried to see the list of motions in full but it's limited to members.

It would be interesting to see if they also see campaigns for a separate Sikh State (khalistan) as racist. Many gurdwaras advocate for it and Sikhs in the old white middle class framework still seem to pass as oppressed by white racism (in a way Jewish people now don't). Under the old race relations act, Sikh people like Jewish people were the only religious groups included because it was felt the link between religious identity and ethnicity was so inextricably linked.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 10:35

FFS

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 10:35

Lalgarh · Yesterday 10:20

Polanski has been trying to walk the tightrope by muttering about false flag operations by Israel

Polanski's problem hasn't been helped by just how much he's full of shit.

He's been pulled up on his 2025 speech over the last month:

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/polanski-faces-questions-over-incorrect-claims-that-his-ancestors-faced-the-nazis/amp/

He's firmly been playing to an ill informed left wing youth who consider themselves anti-Nazi can't be arsed to question anything because he thought he could get away with it, and he thought no one would challenge it. He thinks lies matter more than truth as long as it wins him votes. That's his actual political strategy to play a game of exploiting a vulnerable narrative of hardship on a personal level which isn't his own story.

So I have very little sympathy for him and I can see how damaging this shit is for the Jewish community and feeds the far right narrative. It makes me very angry in terms of the level of damage he's doing.

It's all about his personal ambition. I think he's probably got a rather large fall from grace at some point looming tbh.

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 10:37

RedToothBrush · Yesterday 10:25

The motion, as you can see from the above tweet, is producing real fear.

I personally don't have a lot of time for Gaza/Israel politics as a topic because it's a complete shitshow and honestly I don't have anything worthwhile to contribute to it, given the degree of clusterfuck.

I do however have a fair amount of sympathy for British Jews caught in the absolute shitshow of the crossfire right now because they are damned whatever they think and that's not right from the perspective of this being the UK and everyone supposedly being free to live and freedom of religion.

It's unnerving and through the lens of the very existence of the Equality Act and Human Rights is quite the thing given the Green Party champion themselves as the upholder of rights and liberty.

You don't even have to be sympathetic to Zionism to see why this is ultimately a problem.

Fully agree, Red.