Sara Morrison vs Belfast Film Festival - Thread 2

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Continuation of previous thread - don’t have all the details to hand to add here, so if someone can pop them on, pls do! Want to get this up quickly!

And now she's got herself in a position where the world and his wife know about her medical condition and we've got onto bowels!
I keep wondering about this, that the least worst option is divulging medical info.

I carry meds, they stay in my bag, I cannot be doing with moving them around pockets everytime I wear something different.

You could give DB some tips on laying low in unearned positions 🤣

(I would get in touch with Tunnocks - they could expand their range from biscuits tins - it's a commercial dream! )

Wondering how some of these asides would work out for those scraping the threads in the future....

Urinary incontinence? Perimenopausal flooding? Neither things you’d want teeeted out by NW?!?

I think Mumsnet would have them all vetted in a week no bother!

To be fair I have some empathy for EJ Sturgeon. The panel have been doing this for eons. Shes in her 40s. So Professor Dr Debroah Boyd was appointed when she was in her teens.

How is she going to come in and say ok lets have at it - give me your CVs and we will go through it line by line?

They are re-appointed every 5 years and I would want to see proper vetting. There aren't that many in total.

The reason no one has asked is that the legal profressionals cannot risk their careers and livelihoods bringing challenges.

That needs to change.

To be fair, it doesn’t really mean much on the face of it. They might equally think MD is a wee bisim and be glad to shoot her down.

I think we should err on the side of caution here and trust that of Michael had any connections with BFF or MD or chair of BFF he would have declared it.

There is quite a serious spanner seeming to emerge in the workings of PD but we shouldn’t assume all others are at it in the same way she appears to be.

That being said I think Sturgeon has shown bias against NC with her furious response and her desire to take revenge action to the detriment of the claimant. Now we have had a chance to reflect on that it is quite appalling behaviour from a judge and allowed the equally appalling behaviour of SD.

I know nothing of judgy behaviour behind the scenes but if other colleagues of hers are paying attention they might want to suggest she rethinks recusing herself. How can she produce a reasonable judgement after such an explosion of temper?

Anyhoo, all to play for!!!

I've had menstrual flooding while sat in a huge committee chamber. The last thing I would do is draw attention to myself and walk out in front of people. Or leave my bag.

I stayed sat faffing until everyone was up or leaving or moving around and then tied a cardigan round my waist before being able to sort the chair and my stuff.

Is this the same Sean Doherty as in the Tribunal?
The Tribunal SD also seems to claim expertise in criminal law according to the NI bar but I'm not a hundred percent it's the same one?

According to the Belfast Telegraph, prosecutors informed the court that James had told police he would “stab the neighbor and feel happy.”
Defense barrister Sean Doherty said the two parties had got along well for some time, but the relationship eventually deteriorated. Doherty stated that James had confided in the neighbor about certain details of his birth identity, which the neighbor then used to “bully” him. James, who has been active in the local trans activist community, took particular exception to being referred to by his birth name or “dead name.Trans Activist Who Secured Pre-Trial Transfer To Women's Jail Is Convicted After Threatening Neighbor With A Knife For "Misgendering" Him - Reduxx

Oh no, duplicate threads, I'll ask MNHQ to delete it.

I agree. I don’t think it’s Sturgeon who should be vetting the panel and judges should be able to take them on trust based on the processes for re-appointment.

What I find odd from the digging on this that she is listed in re-appointment as Mrs D Boyd and presumably the name cards are made up by clerks and they would use the official record of names for the sake of accuracy and so the only option I can think of is that Mrs Boyd has said, ‘No dear, it should be Professor not Mrs’ (why do I imagine Hyacinth Bucket?).

There is no other D Boyd on the list so there appears almost definitely to be shenanigans is some sort.

That would be a good decision for a wise and impartial panel member. But getting a solicitor in NI seems to be a closed loop. Everyone knows everyone.

Please don't I did already for mine. We can't kill both the duplicates :-)

😱Too late, it's gone

This is it.

The first question that needs to be asked is whether DB is a Professor. It's a reasonable and necessary question.

If this can't be answered, with evidence, it makes the whole thing a farce.

Yes.

I wonder if this will actually be a very significant moment in the governance of such pools and panels.

It will be one of those things that in the future everyone will say, 'Well of course I have to confirm my identity/address/DBS and up to date training and qualifications when I apply to reaccredit.'

And everyone will think how mind blowingly open to abuse and corruption it would be to have a system whereby you get to take part if you know someone who gets you the job (and all your other jobs) and then you just get to do more jobs because of taking part...

Oh my

If it is the same barrister then of course you can represent all kinds of awful people as they are entitled to a defence attorney. So I'm not criticising him being a defence lawyer for this person.

However, it's his carry on in the Tribunal that makes me think that he's not quite impartial in all of this.

If it is indeed The SD of current Tribunal.

I was so happy you had done one 😰

So third time lucky on thread 3 - https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womensrights/5444914-sara-morrison-v-bff-thread-3?reply=148561381

I am in no way as organised as former Tribunal coverage legends and thread managers including @ickky.

If folks can share background and links I'd be so grateful

Use @MyrtleLions above. Really great!

Thanks for the new thread!

Her and Michelle D will be kicking back at karaoke singing the great classic 'Stand by your Trans' and thinking what a holy show EJ Sturgeon made of those wee English wans.

.... But Monday soon comes around folks.

Yep - initially I thought they weren't the same Zoe Boyd but the NW copies of DB's social media include a photo of DB in front of an advertising screen for Zoe Boyd the make up artist so she is clearly DB's daughter who indeed has a non binary/TiF other half.

Thread link didn’t seem to work so is this it? Thread 3

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5444914-sara-morrison-v-bff-thread-3

I found it - thank you!

There used to be a joke about flying into Belfast where the pilot would announce "Welcome to Belfast Aldergrove. Please turn your watches back 200 years."

Plus ça change.

And scene.