Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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They aren't making themselves an attractive employer for women are they!

From TT

AR Good question [missed]
ST Ground floor Phase 2. Who has access?
AR Only employees. [ explains c visitor escort]
ST Second floor
AR Again only employees unless visitor, escorted.
ST First floor
AR All employees have access to first floor.
ST All areas accessible to employees, inc cafeteria
AR Y

New thread

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5420656-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-thread-2

I'm so glad for MK that she has been able to show that side of her self, as well as the distress she showed in earlier questioning.
It emphasises the impact it had on her.

It sounds like they would much prefer it if there weren't any women there. At least not those bothersome, menstruating, menopausal, female kind.

Wish they would sort the bloody sound out. It's not that hard to ensure proceedings can actually be followed as permitted by law. It's giving me a headache.

From TT

ST How long worked at L
AR Started 1977 as apprentice and worked way up
ST Culture of org?
AR Lots of change at Edin site and change of culture. We have v inclusive culture. Invested heavily to create this environment. Now an office-type environment. Very inclusive.

Thanks to whoevs, , for continuity thread ready for when this one runs out, there's a bit of space left here so let's fill it up first!

Basically he's saying Inclusive changes are to accommodate the youth population of employees.

No thought it seems for their existing grown up staff, or the female youth who don't want to be in the loo with a middle aged man

From TT

AR [missed] We can see change in dynamic in workforce. Some there a long time. Then apprentices etc.
ST has demographic of young group changed
AR Yes, compared to back in 70s. health apprentice population and graduate pop. We are seeing change in demographics.

Let's take a shot of ..tea in my case ..every time he uses the word 'inclusive'😃

Like I said, I have researched the case well. I really don't mind at all if mumsnet remove the photos because the integrity of the board matters to me. But I am posting in good faith after one of the mods came onto the board the other day and specifically helped me work out how to post photos.

Sometimes we will annoy each other by posting things that others find irritating, and I want to be sensitive to that too, but I won't act immediately on orders to stop posting things, without a compelling reason, because that could leave the board open to interference by bad actors (not you, but eg visitors from companies who want to restrict what information is allowed out in the public domain).

He sounds a bit more relaxed now. He’s not sufficiently prepared for NC’s X though. 😬
She could probably make a grown man cry!

i might have to switch this off and just read TT cause the sound is giving me a headache.

Very inclusive.

Where 25% of the workforce are made to feel uncomfortable!

He's going down the corporate PR waffle as evidence route

I hope she brings back Pete the Plumber.

Let's not forget, when he started back in the 70's they all had a topless calendar and discussed page 3 of The Sun!

They didn't try to be inclusive then when it was just Women.

From TT

AR Re aging workforce. When thinking of joining a co considerations - not as unhealthy as other employers, people see opportunities in working for us. [discusses L] We have longevity, people see us a leading employer, we provide opportunities
ST Any industry bodies L works with

AR Make UK for employability and skills. I sit on Employment policy and skills committee. We get early access to what's happening, in touch with other employers
ST Do L also have own legal dept
AR Yes. We've used Make UK for number of years. Access to their website, use for policy doc etc

I had a banging headache yesterday.

I am quite sure that they are a good company for male employees to work for.

Possibly not helped by a change in atmospheric pressure - a known migraine trigger🤕

Has he said anything yet about the actual case he's sat in a court about?

From TT

ST Re other orgs L affiliated with. Any orgs co linked / uses re DEI
AR My colleague Rachel R has been working hard in this area and making good steps to help us improve diversity. We have ambassadors, links with schools and universities.
ST Is Rachel Ruxton in role created before she joined co

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