Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 2

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

Currently:

Andrew Letton (Leonardo) is being questioned by Susanne Tanner (Leonardo barrister)

This 'Make UK'?
https://www.makeuk.org/training/all-training-courses/transgender-awareness

This is more like an Employment Drive presentation.

From TT

AR Co identified a need c 2017 and we recruited somebody to post. They stayed 2-3 years and then interim person and then Rachel.
ST Since 2022 Rachel R been EDI. And relationship Make UK
AR Not just Edin. Relationship we have is we get advice from Make Uk, helps us get regional support.

In an alternative universe I would love NC to begin with a reversal of yesterday's cross, and say "I realise that the questions may be difficult and I DO want to distress you and make you cry".

Letton is answering a question by bringing in Rachel ?Ruxton, the new HR hire who IIRC came in after the shitshow had been established. From evidence on Leo UK site I think he is correct she has been working as hard as he says but there was a shitload of ground to recover thanks to the damage done over a decade of fuckwittery. So no cigar for you, Andy, for trying to deflect to the hard working woman you dumped this on.

I think some of the interference with sound is related to the young man typing on his laptop. I wish he would take a break.

Total PR drive. I'm surprised he's not clicking onto the next PowerPoint slide

Yikes

From TT

ST L in relation to staff networks. What available.
AR Been v active. Interest in staff networks, lots of ways to be involved.
ST How info communicated
AR There is a DEI page and people have access to
ST DEI just internal networks or outside
AR We include information c outside events too

From TT

ST Co posts on intranet. What about info that all employees might be interested in.
AR Use Connect UK which is info for all. Through management briefings. People leaders, teams and events that take place to make aware what happening.
ST Culture of co specifically. Union affiliation?

If he could let us have sight of the Toilet.PPT I'd be grateful!

What has this got to do with the issues at hand?

This is the opposite of ST asking such detailed qq of MK - what direction, what floor, who was there, was it Rachel or Ian, was it 14 weeks or 13 weeks, was it NE or NNE..

The qq to AR are - who's a good boy then? who's a good boy? yes YOU are, you're a good boy and so is Leonardo!

Absolutely fuck all 😶

@NebulousSupportPostcard

We've hit 1000 replies on the previous thread, so I'm posting my reply here.

My reasons for reporting were as stated.

I accept you were not acting in bad faith, but the concentration on one person and the content of the posts in which you re-posted his photo seemed to be encouraging a pile-on. I accept that provoking a pile-on was not your intent, but it could have had that result - (remember that only you knew/were sure AL would be a witness, so it could have been a pile-on on a person who had not given evidence) and that is the kind of thing which those opposed to open justice could use as a reason to shut down TT or keep sensitive ETs held in private.

Just had a look at their other training courses.

One one hand: neurodiversity awareness, on the other hand: using psychometric assessments for self-development.

I don't think they quite realise how hard psychometric assessments are when you're neurodivergent but it is definitely something my ex employers pushed when they found out I was neurodivergent despite flawless, exemplary customer satisfaction feedback.

Sod all, ickky. 🥱

He’s going to get a shock when it’s NC’s turn to X.

This case isn't as 'sexy' as SP vs NHS Fife but is equally important.

From TT

AR Longstanding with Unite union. Senior TU rep on each site. Consult and inform.
ST What matter req to be consulted on
AR Anything re changes to T&C. Changes to practices etc.
ST Percentages - how much of workforce union members
AR [discusses} 35% [tt note - think that was the final figure]
ST How are relations
AR we are changing eg pension arrangements. And on pay. [ends with fairly good]

Might he be a stenographer?

Psychometrics are hell for neurodiverse people and are mostly psychobabble anyway.

From TT

ST Meetings?
AR Some meetings every two weeks. Employee consultations. Changing nature of workforce from closed shop high TU membership. Needed to find way of engaging with employees. T Us are given seats. Union reps are elected by union, other members elected by employees.

It's definitely giving let us train you on how to use these sticks to beat people with.

From TT

AR Some difficulties but worked hard in getting people to sit together. Agendas vary. [difficult to hear all his points]
ST That give opportunity to hear from elected reps from employees. Other structures to enable this.
AR We have an employee speak up line - anon.

He looks to be typing on a bog standard laptop.