Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

If you want to observe send an email to

[email protected]

Subject line

Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

Ask for the link and pin to observe.

State you are a member of the public and give your full name and the email address you will use to access the tribunal.

Anyone interested?

I followed that news link through to the I'd a Hobbit page written by a man who uses as many words as he can to call himself a woman.

At the bottom of that page are links to other parts of their site, including "Gender pay gap reporting" and "Award-winning women engineers". How do they know?

I followed that link and thought it must be a parody posted by whoever is Leonardo's biggest competitor in the 'technological capabilities in Aerospace, Defence & Security' market. Clichéd, or what?? 😏

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Interestingly when I click on the 'inclusion and diversity' tab on Leonardo's website, it takes me to their investors' page instead. It's almost like they've taken it down...

The inclusion and diversity tab on Leonardo UK's website works, usual stuff about bringing your whole self to work etc., but when I clicked on this:
we are signed up to several organisations and initiatives in line with our I&D plan.
it just linked to another part of the website.

They still have all their 'Pride' pages up, though.

If you go from the link below, thats the inclusion and diversity tab which takes you to the investors page. Fortunately I haven't found the bringing your whole self to work nonsense.

https://uk.leonardo.com/en/about/values

Nepotism? Shocked, shocked, I tell you.

I’m still puzzled why the other thread was deleted.

At bottom of page, click "Participation in Associations" and scroll down to this:

Valore D
Leonardo has participated in Valore D since 2019. This association of businesses promotes gender equality and an inclusive culture both within organisations and more widely in Italy. This collaboration is part of Leonardo’s broader commitment to promote gender diversity, not just as a factor in equality and responsibility but also to support innovation, competitiveness and, therefore, growth.
Learn more about Valore D

Froim there I scrolled around a bit and found this archived page from 2022, which I think is interesting. (I'm in web browser using google translate)

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20220628185138/valored.it/news/linclusione-formula-per-attrarre-talenti-under-30-in-azienda" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20220628185138/valored.it/news/linclusione-formula-per-attrarre-talenti-under-30-in-azienda/

"Inclusion, diversity, and high levels of equity are not only associated with greater innovation and productivity within companies, but also facilitate the acquisition of new young talent: a phenomenon highlighted by the study "Rethink & Broaden Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion to create competitive advantage," conducted by the Boston Consulting Group (March 2022). According to the report, 24% of Italian companies now incorporate these objectives into their business strategy, investing in DE&I for a truly inclusive supply chain that appeals to Generation Z."

Basically, it looks to me as though Leonardo.com isn't necessarily led from the top by true believers. It's a distinct strategy for a defence industry company to attract young employees. Recruitment has probably taken a particular hit because of opposition to war on Ukraine, Palestine, etc, and bringing your whole self to work presumably helps takes the edge of being involved in design, engineering & production of arms?

Also once you click to the values page you leave the dedicated UK pages, so they may have been more influenced by international policy direction rather than UK law?

Norman's twitter is not what I expected after reading his work bio (www.leonardo.com/en/about/management/electronics-division0 , so I guess you may be right and some deleting and cleansing has taken place ! https://x.com/LDO_UKMD

@NebulousSupportPostcard wrote so I guess you may be right and some deleting and cleansing has taken place ! https://x.com/LDO_UKMD

Given that I can see 0 posts, 0 replies and 0 media uploads I’d say that was completely correct. Unless there never have been any.

comparing linkedin profiles, I don't think they are related.

Thanks tried again 🤞

having female engineers and computer scientists IS diversity and inclusion at these companies.

Oh gosh. I don't want another thread to be zapped but I think they are v closely related, from other news reports.

I checked the Cause List on Courtserve and the email address given there for requests to observe remotely is [email protected]

So I have copied my previous request to the email address above.

The latest list has the tribunal set to commence at 10am tomorrow 29 Sept.

It’s been noted above that there’s a difference between the latest list @NebulousSupportPostcard mentions and the reply to people who send an email to [email protected] as to when the hearing starts.

The reply to my email sent to that address, which tells me to email [email protected], also says

“Please note that if remote access is granted, the link will be distributed shortly before the first day of the hearing.”

So, we may find out soon. However, if I hear nothing by Monday morning, does it mean the hearing is starting on Tuesday or that I’ve not been granted access? I’ll have to check if anyone has posted here to find out.

I wonder if the hearing does start on Monday but the first day and a bit will be held in private. That would allow time for counsel to address the judge and the lay tribunal members before the public and Tribunal Tweets are allowed in.

Basically, it looks to me as though Leonardo.com isn't necessarily led from the top by true believers. It's a distinct strategy for a defence industry company to attract young employees. Recruitment has probably taken a particular hit because of opposition to war on Ukraine, Palestine, etc, and bringing your whole self to work presumably helps takes the edge of being involved in design, engineering & production of arms?

If that's the strategy, is it going to work? The Omnicause isn't likely to favour employment by Merchants of DeathTM. I suppose it might be effective on the IT side, given the proportion of genderists amongst the tech bros.

Ah. Ivy is a TIM:

uk.leonardo.com/en/news-and-stories-detail/-/detail/hello-its-lovely-to-meet-you

Ivy was also shortlisted in the 2023 LGBTQ+ Defence awards in the Innovator of the Year category.

www.thelgbtawards.com/2023-finalists/

Sorry, that should be Inspiration of the Year category. Too late to edit.

@NebulousSupportPostcard :
"So it looks to me that Leonardo has held, at an international level, a strategic interest in using corporate Pride activities as a means of recruiting young blood."

As an employee of another Merchant Of Death™️ company (not in the UK), I doubt that it's the right strategy. Looking at all the engineers and former military people, I don't think there is much overlap between the two groups.