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Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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ickky · 25/09/2025 16:30

Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

If you want to observe send an email to

[email protected]

Subject line

Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

Ask for the link and pin to observe.

State you are a member of the public and give your full name and the email address you will use to access the tribunal.

Anyone interested?

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SirEctor · 02/10/2025 12:08

Litton, Letton, Lyton😄

I think that is testament to the quality of the audio you've all been complaining about.

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:08

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 12:07

I started to change my wound dressing in the break.

Then my car service people rang about why they can't fix the car and it needs to go to a main dealer. 13 minutes to tell me something that should have taken 5. So dressing remains unchanged.

That's awful Myrtle - take care of yourself, I'll copy&past TT stuff till you come back, all fixed up.

katmarie · 02/10/2025 12:09

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:06

It is Andrew Letton

Edited

BB has it right, Andrew Letton, is apparently VP of people shared services

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 02/10/2025 12:09

SirEctor · 02/10/2025 12:08

Litton, Letton, Lyton😄

I think that is testament to the quality of the audio you've all been complaining about.

Let’s call the whole thing off!

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:09

We have our first "I'm not sure" response

WandaSiri · 02/10/2025 12:10

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/10/2025 11:51

If posting photos of key Leonardo execs is not allowed, pls report my posts and I'll accept Mumsnet's decision.

I won't leave the relevant execs out of it because their names are being mentioned and re-mentioned in the tribunal I'm observing.

I think it's relevant because the thrust of the argument is that MK had made implied threats to name the trans identified colleagues using the toilets. I think that's a smokescreen because, having researched the case I don't think there is much evidence that Leonardo particularly cares about its trans identifying staff but it isspecifically stated on its website that Leonardo UK policy is to embrace identity politics as a means of attracting younger recruits.

Done.

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:10

Tribunal Tweets

@tribunaltweets
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[New witness takes oath] J Counsel will use phrases c t ppl as discuss]
STName
AR Andrew Russell Letton. Known as Andy R in workplace.
ST VP for People [+ ?] Services Leonardo
ST What is a home site
AR Where are you contracted
ST Any ppl have home site and also travel. Flexible co policy to also work from home.
AR Yes, esp c covid

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:11

WandaSiri · 02/10/2025 12:10

Done.

The man in the photo is currently on the witness stand

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:11

ST So on any given day only a percentage of employees on site in office
AR yes
ST What does L do
AR [explains]
ST Engineering a main profession on Edin site
AR Yes and throughout L
ST A percentage of employees based at Edin? In human resources etc.
AR Yes, a range.

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MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:13

ST Agree c 2,800 on employees at Edin? As home base
AR yes. 587 f
ST F percentage at Edin just over 20%
AR yes
ST Phase 1 and 2. Any impression of more f employees on one
AR Don't know exact numbers
ST Would expect 20% in one building rather than other
AR Off the top of my head more f in phase 1

ThatPithySheep · 02/10/2025 12:13

I'm enjoying seeing MK sitting in his eye line, I do hope he enjoys the experience of having to explain things he'd rather not discuss. Like he did to MK

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 12:13

From TT

[New witness takes oath]
J Counsel will use phrases c t ppl as discuss]
STName
AR Andrew Russell Letton. Known as Andy R in workplace.
ST VP for People [+ ?] Services Leonardo
ST What is a home site
AR Where are you contracted
ST Any ppl have home site and also travel. Flexible co policy to also work from home.
AR Yes, esp c covid.

ST So on any given day only a percentage of employees on site in office
AR yes
ST What does L do
AR [explains]
ST Engineering a main profession on Edin site
AR Yes and throughout L
ST A percentage of employees

ST Agree c 2,800 on employees at Edin? As home base
AR yes. 587 f
ST F percentage at Edin just over 20%
AR yes
ST Phase 1 and 2. Any impression of more f employees on one
AR Don't know exact numbers
ST Would expect 20% in one building rather than other
AR Off the top of my head more f in phase 1

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:14

If you're OK to continue Myrtle I'll hand back to you, hope you've sorted everything out and feel okSmile

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 12:14

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:08

That's awful Myrtle - take care of yourself, I'll copy&past TT stuff till you come back, all fixed up.

Thank you. Had to explain to DH as well.

All sorted now.

WandaSiri · 02/10/2025 12:14

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:11

The man in the photo is currently on the witness stand

Yes, but he wasn't when his photo was posted, and we couldn't have known he was going to be the witness.
Also - posting the photo three times and not posting anyone else's photo.

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:14

ThatPithySheep · 02/10/2025 12:13

I'm enjoying seeing MK sitting in his eye line, I do hope he enjoys the experience of having to explain things he'd rather not discuss. Like he did to MK

He must be able to feel her eyes on him.

(I'm probably only imagining the laser beams)

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/10/2025 12:15

perhaps I’m being too suspicious but is the talk of flexible working in order to make a claim that MK could have worked from home and therefore not suffer any detrimental consequences from TW in female toilets?

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 12:16

From TT

ST Your role?
AR People function in co. Attraction and engagement, talent development, people services and analytics. Six disciplines in my job inc benefits, compensation, pensions, travel employee relations.
ST Are there people reporting to you for each discipline.
AR Yes
ST Who do you report to
AR X Allen.

ST Where is she based?
AR [missed]
ST Could you describe c security on site.
AR Majority of work is re UK defence. Class X facility. Superior vetting. [describes c access to site for public]
ST Individual staff members - some may only have access to one building or area?
AR Yes, there is security clearance needed for access

WandaSiri · 02/10/2025 12:16

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/10/2025 12:15

perhaps I’m being too suspicious but is the talk of flexible working in order to make a claim that MK could have worked from home and therefore not suffer any detrimental consequences from TW in female toilets?

They will try anything.

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:16

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/10/2025 12:15

perhaps I’m being too suspicious but is the talk of flexible working in order to make a claim that MK could have worked from home and therefore not suffer any detrimental consequences from TW in female toilets?

Working from home due to employer imposed urinary leash is not a good look.

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2025 12:16

I'm wondering if AR actually know how many female employees they have, since they no doubt only record gender.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/10/2025 12:17

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:02

Maria will be literally able to breathe down his neck she's that close as she's now sat with her legal team.

Maria looks so composed, sat upright, checking her notes in the gallery row behind Andy Letton. Letton's bundle file is notably unopened and untouched on the witness desk as he answers questions fromLeonardo Uk's counsel.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 02/10/2025 12:17

Boiledbeetle · 02/10/2025 12:16

Working from home due to employer imposed urinary leash is not a good look.

None of this is a good look especially when the feelings of men takes precedence over the needs of women.

MyrtleLion · 02/10/2025 12:18

From TT

AR [explains c different security protocols, badge access, etc]
ST Are you based in Phase 1 or 2
AR Dept based in Phase 2. Since covid gave up facility and predominantly work from home, and travel. Me more in Phase 2 site
ST Does co have system to swipe in and record who on site on particular day?
AR Yes
ST System is called?

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