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DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:19

This is absolutely batshit insane. How is this just an acceptable thing these days

childofthe607080s · 18/09/2025 14:37

That’s revolting and it’s nobodies business

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:39

Photographs? That does not sound plausible.

beAsensible1 · 18/09/2025 14:41

She is a child groomer. Who gives a f

Somelikeitdry · 18/09/2025 14:42

It won't stop the conspiracists, they'll say the court was bribed or blackmailed or they'll say the evidence was doctored.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:42

beAsensible1 · 18/09/2025 14:41

She is a child groomer. Who gives a f

As women we should all be scared by this. We’re basically being asked to prove our womanhood.

BreakingBroken · 18/09/2025 14:45

This will only feed the conspiracy.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 14:45

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:42

As women we should all be scared by this. We’re basically being asked to prove our womanhood.

Whats the alternative if you don't want men in women's spaces?

All the women at the current Athletics championships have had to prove their sex. And that's good.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 14:46

why are they not suing the journalist that wrote the book? And if they have deceived people it is in the publics interest. It also means 15 year old macron was groomed by a male teacher in his 40s if true. The sophisticated photo ID technology showed that Brigitte was the same person as her ‘brother’ in childhood photos. At first I thought this was crazy but there’s a lot of stuff out there. Photos supplied before ‘as evidence’ turned out to be brigittes daughter so unless I was physically in the room, I wouldn’t believe a thing these two said.

dammit88 · 18/09/2025 14:46

beAsensible1 · 18/09/2025 14:41

She is a child groomer. Who gives a f

Could not agree more!

nauticant · 18/09/2025 14:47

It's US litigation. For Macron to win she has to prove that Owens showed malice in the defamation. The more Owens can demonstrate that she's unhinged enough to believe her own defamations, the stronger her defence becomes.

boobot1 · 18/09/2025 14:49

Why is she even bothered. If someone accused me of being a man, I'd just say OK, roll my eyes and get on with life. Why even engage with it?

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:52

As women we should all be scared by this. We’re basically being asked to prove our womanhood.

Since TRAs say that it's not possible to scientifically prove any difference between women and transwomen then it will actually be very interesting to see if they are right about that.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:53

Bideo · 18/09/2025 14:45

Whats the alternative if you don't want men in women's spaces?

All the women at the current Athletics championships have had to prove their sex. And that's good.

So we all need to get what? Blood tests? Carry around proof that we are all women? Is that on a card or on a badge we wear on our jackets?

Its utterly disgusting that we’re now demanding women show proof, just because they’re not conventionally attractive!

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:53

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:52

As women we should all be scared by this. We’re basically being asked to prove our womanhood.

Since TRAs say that it's not possible to scientifically prove any difference between women and transwomen then it will actually be very interesting to see if they are right about that.

I’m not a TRA. I’m not arsed by whether their arguments are right or not. What I am arsed by is the fact that women are now being forced to do this.

Absentosaur · 18/09/2025 14:54

Ignoring the bizarreness of the whole thing, the child grooming etc etc. A DNA test would do, if they must.

Somelikeitdry · 18/09/2025 14:54

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:53

So we all need to get what? Blood tests? Carry around proof that we are all women? Is that on a card or on a badge we wear on our jackets?

Its utterly disgusting that we’re now demanding women show proof, just because they’re not conventionally attractive!

Nobody is demanding all women, this is a very specific niche case and the evidence was volunteered by the 'woman'.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2025 14:56

I've seen the same thing said about Michelle Obama - it seems to be a 'thing', partly about insulting the woman, more about dissing the men who married them - if Macron and Obama married men, they are worthless as allegedly heterosexual men...and by extension as politicians and leaders of their countries.
Weird.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:57

Somelikeitdry · 18/09/2025 14:54

Nobody is demanding all women, this is a very specific niche case and the evidence was volunteered by the 'woman'.

For now.

This type of demand is becoming increasingly common. It’s very worrying.

Beowulfa · 18/09/2025 14:58

I used to lurk on a forum where (male) posters were convinced Michelle Obama was really a man. There's no evidence that will change this kind of mindset.

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:58

So we all need to get what? Blood tests? Carry around proof that we are all women?

We have show proof all the time for various reasons. We have to provide proof of our age, address, right to work, qualifications, driving licences, all sorts of things and have done for years.

If it keeps males out of female single sex spaces, services, sports, sponsorships, grants, awards, prisons, shelters, hospital wards etc. then I don't see the problem.

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 14:59

Somelikeitdry · 18/09/2025 14:42

It won't stop the conspiracists, they'll say the court was bribed or blackmailed or they'll say the evidence was doctored.

Yep. Brigitte Macron could have a fibre optic camera shoved up her wazoo on live TV and it wouldn’t matter, because we are now in a post-truth world where things like facts and evidence are worthless.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 14:59

This ‘scandal’ actually goes beyond brigittes biological sex. They claim his mother was a doctor working with trans people and his father a child psychologist. There seems to be some suggestion that macron is a manufactured puppet.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 14:59

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:53

I’m not a TRA. I’m not arsed by whether their arguments are right or not. What I am arsed by is the fact that women are now being forced to do this.

Which women?

Athletes are being asked to under go one off genetic testing by way of a cheek swab, if they want to compete in the female category.

Macron is doing it voluntarily (and providing some other evidence?) Beyond me why she'd bother tbh.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:00

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:58

So we all need to get what? Blood tests? Carry around proof that we are all women?

We have show proof all the time for various reasons. We have to provide proof of our age, address, right to work, qualifications, driving licences, all sorts of things and have done for years.

If it keeps males out of female single sex spaces, services, sports, sponsorships, grants, awards, prisons, shelters, hospital wards etc. then I don't see the problem.

Yes. Exactly that.