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DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:31

secureyourbook · 18/09/2025 15:28

Has she not had two kids?

If Owens is to be believed then she has ‘fathered’ three kids and no photos of baby with mother.

SparklyGlitterballs · 18/09/2025 15:35

There are people that believe Harry and Meghan don't have children and that they borrow 'Archie' and 'Lilibet' for photos. The world is crazy.

Nothereforagoodtime · 18/09/2025 15:39

Beowulfa · 18/09/2025 14:58

I used to lurk on a forum where (male) posters were convinced Michelle Obama was really a man. There's no evidence that will change this kind of mindset.

This, they’re brainwashed conspiracy theorists, any response just feeds their delusions further. But I do kind of get suing an author - they’re more calculated with it and are profiting from it.

caringcarer · 18/09/2025 15:41

A chromosome test is all that is needed.

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 15:41

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:30

Then the macrons shouldn’t have asked Trump to warn Owens and they shouldn’t have sued. The other side claim they have evidence historical archives have been tampered with. People in power can’t just go changing history and we shouldn’t be okay with that.

Then they should produce the 'evidence'. The doo lally conspiracy theorists aren't worth the time of rational adults.

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2025 15:45

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:08

I didn’t believe any of it at first either but the more I read the more I’m convinced there’s definitely some sort of identity switch going on. But old rich families are weird and now we have AI technology and all sorts of advanced stuff trawling through archives it’s harder to hide those dubious histories!

The Macron/Nogues families are not 'old rich families'.
The Macron grandfather was a railway worker, and the Nogues grandparents were teachers.

There is a good degree of social mobility in France.
Young people from any background can take a state exam leading to entry to prestigious educational establishments.

Many of my French friends who have 'done all right for themselves' in life have parents - not even grandparents - who worked in trades or semi-skilled jobs.

Macron's parents both benefitted from the educational system to get good jobs - the father became a doctor and then Professor of Neurology, the mother a doctor - but they didn't have to be 'old money' to do so, they just had to be academically successful.

Macron's father the Professor specialises in epilepsy and sleep disturbance; I don't know what kind of doctor his mother is, and if it is in any way related to gender - not that knowing the facts would stop the fantasies!🙄

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 15:45

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:03

That works both ways. The facts as they stand are that photos of the brother stop at the same time as photos of Brigitte start. How hard is it to produce a photo of Brigitte holding a baby? And the only photo she produced of her as an older child was proven by technology to be her daughter (who they claim she is the father of)

That’s not the point I was making. I don’t know or particularly care if Brigitte Macron is really a woman or not. I do care that there is no longer any such thing as a shared, objective reality. I find it fucking terrifying.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:51

Well I care. Because I am against pedophiles being allowed to hoodwink and erase their history.

This is the book description:
On May 14, 2017, Emmanuel Macron came to power in France. A year earlier, the 39-year-old was completely unknown to the public. A media blitzkrieg was waged to sell the French on the couple he formed with “Brigitte”, an attractive teacher he had seduced when he was 17 and she, 36. But the chronology didn’t add up, and the story was rewritten many times, until the admission that when he met “Brigitte”, Emmanuel Macron was...14. And “Brigitte’s” past remained inaccessible, as if she were someone other than who she claimed to be. A mysterious individual who had become “Brigitte”...

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:51

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 15:45

That’s not the point I was making. I don’t know or particularly care if Brigitte Macron is really a woman or not. I do care that there is no longer any such thing as a shared, objective reality. I find it fucking terrifying.

Hmm. I also think the public/press should be challenging if they think they're beeing lied to though.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:54

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2025 15:45

The Macron/Nogues families are not 'old rich families'.
The Macron grandfather was a railway worker, and the Nogues grandparents were teachers.

There is a good degree of social mobility in France.
Young people from any background can take a state exam leading to entry to prestigious educational establishments.

Many of my French friends who have 'done all right for themselves' in life have parents - not even grandparents - who worked in trades or semi-skilled jobs.

Macron's parents both benefitted from the educational system to get good jobs - the father became a doctor and then Professor of Neurology, the mother a doctor - but they didn't have to be 'old money' to do so, they just had to be academically successful.

Macron's father the Professor specialises in epilepsy and sleep disturbance; I don't know what kind of doctor his mother is, and if it is in any way related to gender - not that knowing the facts would stop the fantasies!🙄

It is Brigittes family that is rich and would have colluded in the identity switch.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:55

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:30

Then the macrons shouldn’t have asked Trump to warn Owens and they shouldn’t have sued. The other side claim they have evidence historical archives have been tampered with. People in power can’t just go changing history and we shouldn’t be okay with that.

Have they produced this evidence? The Macrons have every right to sue for defamation. Owned has published extremely damaging accusations with no factual basis.

happydappy2 · 18/09/2025 15:55

a 36 year old female forming a relationship with a 14 year old boy would be impossibly rare. A 36 year old male grooming a 14 year old boy into a relationship is more credible....a simple cheek swab should sort this out though

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 15:57

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:51

Well I care. Because I am against pedophiles being allowed to hoodwink and erase their history.

This is the book description:
On May 14, 2017, Emmanuel Macron came to power in France. A year earlier, the 39-year-old was completely unknown to the public. A media blitzkrieg was waged to sell the French on the couple he formed with “Brigitte”, an attractive teacher he had seduced when he was 17 and she, 36. But the chronology didn’t add up, and the story was rewritten many times, until the admission that when he met “Brigitte”, Emmanuel Macron was...14. And “Brigitte’s” past remained inaccessible, as if she were someone other than who she claimed to be. A mysterious individual who had become “Brigitte”...

Can I ask what “proof” you would accept then? Is there any method of proving someone’s biological sex that can’t be faked?

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:58

These people are in positions of power. They want you to dismiss it without questioning it further. Which is exactly what I did until I heard about the journalist who has spent a decade researching this story and has had to move countries because of it.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:59

happydappy2 · 18/09/2025 15:55

a 36 year old female forming a relationship with a 14 year old boy would be impossibly rare. A 36 year old male grooming a 14 year old boy into a relationship is more credible....a simple cheek swab should sort this out though

Bingo. And if Brigitte is her older brother that 36 becomes 40 something.

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 16:01

Aside from whatever sex the child groomer actually is, apparently it's "mysogynistic" to want to prove that your wife is a woman 🙄


Sophie Molly
‪@sophiemolly.co.uk‬
Pure misogyny. What a disgusting chauvinist Macron is.

https://bsky.app/profile/sophiemolly.co.uk/post/3lz3vspf2oc2g

Sophie Molly (@sophiemolly.co.uk)

Pure misogyny. What a disgusting chauvinist Macron is. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckg3llj5nxdo

https://bsky.app/profile/sophiemolly.co.uk/post/3lz3vspf2oc2g

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 16:03

I don’t want to dismiss it! I want to understand how the concept of “proof” holds up in a post-truth world, where seemingly anything can be manipulated with AI, and no one has to accept any evidence that is placed in front of them if it contradicts their existing opinions or feelings.

Signalbox · 18/09/2025 16:04

secureyourbook · 18/09/2025 15:28

Has she not had two kids?

The conspiracy theorists say that there is no evidence that Brigitte is the mother. No photographs of Brigitte with her children when they were young or of her pregnant. They claim Brigitte is the father of the children. I’m not sure what is supposed to have happened to the mother.

It’s all a bit silly. I don’t know why the Macrons don’t just ignore the rumours. They have no reason to “prove” anything. It’s not like Brigitte will be boxing in the Olympics anytime soon. Also I think the Streisand effect is somewhat at play here.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 16:04

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 15:57

Can I ask what “proof” you would accept then? Is there any method of proving someone’s biological sex that can’t be faked?

I genuinely have no idea because if they got this far I’m sure they can do whatever it takes. They are the ones suing. This is just the next stunt to distract the public.

I don’t care about how someone identifies. But if this story is true then Macron was manipulated by his parents and groomed by a male pedophile (who we all saw assaulting him on that plane) and has never had a relationship outside of that. He’s living inside a Truman show if true.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 16:05

happydappy2 · 18/09/2025 15:55

a 36 year old female forming a relationship with a 14 year old boy would be impossibly rare. A 36 year old male grooming a 14 year old boy into a relationship is more credible....a simple cheek swab should sort this out though

What makes you say that?

This lack of critical thinking and acceptance of conspiracy theories is absurd

Bideo · 18/09/2025 16:06

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 16:04

I genuinely have no idea because if they got this far I’m sure they can do whatever it takes. They are the ones suing. This is just the next stunt to distract the public.

I don’t care about how someone identifies. But if this story is true then Macron was manipulated by his parents and groomed by a male pedophile (who we all saw assaulting him on that plane) and has never had a relationship outside of that. He’s living inside a Truman show if true.

And if any of that is true he's managed to become President of France despite everything, so who's really in charge?. It does matter.

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 16:06

RuttleTuttle · 18/09/2025 16:01

Aside from whatever sex the child groomer actually is, apparently it's "mysogynistic" to want to prove that your wife is a woman 🙄


Sophie Molly
‪@sophiemolly.co.uk‬
Pure misogyny. What a disgusting chauvinist Macron is.

https://bsky.app/profile/sophiemolly.co.uk/post/3lz3vspf2oc2g

Haha, I knew TRAs would lose their shit over this.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 16:07

Bideo · 18/09/2025 16:06

And if any of that is true he's managed to become President of France despite everything, so who's really in charge?. It does matter.

Oh my god.

There is no evidence this has happened.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 16:08

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 16:07

Oh my god.

There is no evidence this has happened.

I don't know if there is or isn't, but some obviously think there is. All I'm saying is it does matter.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 16:09

Bideo · 18/09/2025 16:08

I don't know if there is or isn't, but some obviously think there is. All I'm saying is it does matter.

That some being extremely right wing MAGA nuts throwing whatever they can at politicians they don’t like