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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions
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WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 15:01

TRAs will hate that there is a way to define legal sex.

This is why the BBC put apostrophes around the word scientific in that headline.

hihelenhi · 18/09/2025 15:02

MarieDeGournay · 18/09/2025 14:56

I've seen the same thing said about Michelle Obama - it seems to be a 'thing', partly about insulting the woman, more about dissing the men who married them - if Macron and Obama married men, they are worthless as allegedly heterosexual men...and by extension as politicians and leaders of their countries.
Weird.

Exactly, I was just gonna say this - seems to be a US MAGA "thing" about women they don't deem 'feminine' enough.

It's absolutely batshit. Brigitte Macron is obviously a woman. It's really not difficult to tell

I don't disagree that the origins of her relationship with Macron are highly questionable. Separate issue entirely. It doesn't make this sensible or even rational. And I've no doubt they've only reported it on the BBC to try to link it to the trans thing ("this is what those nasty terfs who are all funded by MAGA want to do to you all - aren't they evil and batshit?")

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:03

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 14:58

So we all need to get what? Blood tests? Carry around proof that we are all women?

We have show proof all the time for various reasons. We have to provide proof of our age, address, right to work, qualifications, driving licences, all sorts of things and have done for years.

If it keeps males out of female single sex spaces, services, sports, sponsorships, grants, awards, prisons, shelters, hospital wards etc. then I don't see the problem.

The right to work is very, very different to blood test results etc? I resent being asked to prove that I am a wiman because I don’t look “womanly enough”.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:03

MrsFrumble · 18/09/2025 14:59

Yep. Brigitte Macron could have a fibre optic camera shoved up her wazoo on live TV and it wouldn’t matter, because we are now in a post-truth world where things like facts and evidence are worthless.

That works both ways. The facts as they stand are that photos of the brother stop at the same time as photos of Brigitte start. How hard is it to produce a photo of Brigitte holding a baby? And the only photo she produced of her as an older child was proven by technology to be her daughter (who they claim she is the father of)

Somelikeitdry · 18/09/2025 15:03

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 14:59

This ‘scandal’ actually goes beyond brigittes biological sex. They claim his mother was a doctor working with trans people and his father a child psychologist. There seems to be some suggestion that macron is a manufactured puppet.

I heard a theory that Macron's wife is actually his biological father who came back to find him via school then developed an incestuous homosexual relationship...🙄

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2025 15:06

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 14:59

This ‘scandal’ actually goes beyond brigittes biological sex. They claim his mother was a doctor working with trans people and his father a child psychologist. There seems to be some suggestion that macron is a manufactured puppet.

who the fuck are ‘they’?😂

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 15:06

The right to work is very, very different to blood test results etc? I resent being asked to prove that I am a wiman because I don’t look “womanly enough”.

No-one is being asked to have blood tests.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:08

I didn’t believe any of it at first either but the more I read the more I’m convinced there’s definitely some sort of identity switch going on. But old rich families are weird and now we have AI technology and all sorts of advanced stuff trawling through archives it’s harder to hide those dubious histories!

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:12

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 15:06

The right to work is very, very different to blood test results etc? I resent being asked to prove that I am a wiman because I don’t look “womanly enough”.

No-one is being asked to have blood tests.

So what proof do you accept as enough to prove that someone is a woman?

nauticant · 18/09/2025 15:12

It's actually that now we have AI proof becomes redundant because almost anything can now be proved, whether it's true or not.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:12

ErrolTheDragon · 18/09/2025 15:06

who the fuck are ‘they’?😂

Book on Amazon, Becoming Brigitte by Xavier Poussard. He is a journalist who has spent years researching this.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:13

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:12

So what proof do you accept as enough to prove that someone is a woman?

I don't know what Macron is providing, but athletes are doing it via a cheek swab.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:14

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:13

I don't know what Macron is providing, but athletes are doing it via a cheek swab.

So you think it’s acceptable to demand such tests to prove someone is a woman?

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:14

I didn't actually know mich about them except that he was much younger, until just now.

Blimey.

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:16

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:14

So you think it’s acceptable to demand such tests to prove someone is a woman?

In some circumstances absolutely, yes, to keep women safe and sport fair.

No one's demanding Macron proves anything, and I suspect the evidence she's prepared to provide won't prove anything anyway.

That thing with the daughter's photo is very odd....isn't it?

Catwalking · 18/09/2025 15:18

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 14:19

This is absolutely batshit insane. How is this just an acceptable thing these days

& who has even heard of …the ‘influencer’, (name already 4gotten after looking online).

…slight interest to see the Macrons have children but I’d never have looked& found out otherwise😺.

WallaceinAnderland · 18/09/2025 15:19

So what proof do you accept as enough to prove that someone is a woman?

Most people accept a simple cheek swab.

TRAs insist there is no way to prove if someone is a woman. If a man says he is then he is, that's it. Acceptance without exception (so that includes convicted rapists and paedophiles). No debate. That is their legal and scientific stance. Even Nicola Sturgeon supports this.

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:20

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:16

In some circumstances absolutely, yes, to keep women safe and sport fair.

No one's demanding Macron proves anything, and I suspect the evidence she's prepared to provide won't prove anything anyway.

That thing with the daughter's photo is very odd....isn't it?

No, I don’t think so. I think families get busy, and that this is an insane conspiracy theory

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:20

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:16

In some circumstances absolutely, yes, to keep women safe and sport fair.

No one's demanding Macron proves anything, and I suspect the evidence she's prepared to provide won't prove anything anyway.

That thing with the daughter's photo is very odd....isn't it?

How is this pressure by social media keeping women safe?

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:24

Bideo · 18/09/2025 15:14

I didn't actually know mich about them except that he was much younger, until just now.

Blimey.

If you’re interested in learning more do a Google image search of Brigitte macrons family portrait. The little girl on the mother’s knee is meant to be Brigitte. The boy on the left of the photo (with the dimple) is her brother. Then compare to modern photos. I can usually figure out celebs from their baby photos but in this instance we’re not meant to believe our own eyes.

Londonmummy66 · 18/09/2025 15:25

DontReinMeIn · 18/09/2025 15:14

So you think it’s acceptable to demand such tests to prove someone is a woman?

Historically athletes had to take their clothes off in front of a panel of doctors to prove it so I imagine most are happy enough to undergo a cheek swab to keep cheating men out of their sport.

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:25

No one is making Brigitte sue anyone or provide evidence. It’s all smoke and mirrors. Look over here.

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 15:27

I wish she'd not risen to this. Candice Owens is an absolute idiot. There have also been lots of rumours circulating that Michelle Obama is a man.
The best way to treat this is with contempt, it will just encourage them.

secureyourbook · 18/09/2025 15:28

Has she not had two kids?

DwarfBeans · 18/09/2025 15:30

Imnobody4 · 18/09/2025 15:27

I wish she'd not risen to this. Candice Owens is an absolute idiot. There have also been lots of rumours circulating that Michelle Obama is a man.
The best way to treat this is with contempt, it will just encourage them.

Then the macrons shouldn’t have asked Trump to warn Owens and they shouldn’t have sued. The other side claim they have evidence historical archives have been tampered with. People in power can’t just go changing history and we shouldn’t be okay with that.