NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

Panel is back

Isla Bumba may have just lost her world's biggest idiot crown to the interruptor.

As requested.

Don't be silly.

The mother provides the big gamete.

The father provides the little gamete.

Onto biological sex but something just before that, single sex....

The unicorn stands up wearily, hefting this sign must be hard work!

I've turned this into a beat poem for voice and nebulous dog whistle

no (Paaarp)

They aren’t: (Peepity ... Paarrp)

lots of babies (Beep, barrp)

are made without fathers (poopity parp poopity)

and some without mothers. (Baarrrrp)

(Apologies to beat poetry)

Stop it! I didn't manage to go for a pee this break.

Someone's got a PhD in bullshit 😂

TT's 1st Afternoon tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1962475695444996139.html

From TT

NC FWS makes it clear that SS exceptions can only be operated on biological sex basis 211,217,224 sections. From 215-217 most useful, ss services lawful. Gateway conditions cannot be coherently applied if sex doesn't carry its biological meaning. Gives egs, eg cancer screening

There are understudies on stand by.

Just responding to requests…

Allowed back in hurrah! (I can't phone from where I am watching and so I emailed the address that sent us the joining instructions)

From TT

NC [reads] The meaning of bio sex. R position is capable of being characterised as another abiding mystery in this case. It's not wrong that bio sex is determined by chromosomes etc - it is defined in Bellinger. R appear to be unable or unwilling to comprehend

Eating, knitting and going to the loo have been suspended for me because they interfere and take too long! Particularly as I’m on crutches following an ankle operation.

Mind you, that does mean I have nothing better to do…

From TT

that in the vast majority of cases, gonads chormosomes and genitals are in alignment. Where they are not, the law needs to find a way to decide. The court needed to decide which case he was. But this case isn't about sexual development. It may be a distraction

NC Bio sex is binary and socially important. rare edge cases doesn't mean it's not a binary

From TT

to create confusion in tribunals mind about something which is very simple. No arguable doubt - factually too, as ultimately Maggie Currer had to admit, and KS and others more readily admitted. Bio sex is binary and socially important. rare edge cases doesn't mean it's not a binary

When did he record it, why was he unwilling to hand it over, why was it made effectively impossible...Why why why?

Can you guess what NC is talking about?

Have noticed interesting additional commentary on twiiter from @RobbieTravers who is present in court

From TT

just like life and death is a binary.

NC Inferences - tribunal should do this on basis of what is more probable or not. You will need to draw inferences on another mystery - what did Du record on his phone, when record it, and why so many obstacles thrown up to make C unable

I noted that - such a usefully succinct response to 'it's complicated... intersex..DSDs.....'

Streisand effect in full flow on X - trending: “Theodore Upton” 😂

Blushing at you having thought about me at all 😍

I can't take credit for the name, unfortunately I can't remember who came up with it! I just remember it was because of the many iterations of the NHS Fife statement being written by squirrels typing on a bouncy castle 😂

I'll need to add that to my watch list, sounds hilarious!

But yeah, it's utterly crazy to think that what we used to laugh at in comedies as total absurdities has been playing out in real life and taken absolutely seriously.