NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

do you think Jane Russell will have to try and reframe her presentation of submissions to take account of what NC is doing here, or will she just plough on regardless?

I like this:
NC R [DrU's side] would still have to show their response was proportionate and I say they haven't even begun
😀

From TT

to draw attention to the facts that refute the claim.

NC Ask you to look at LJ Underhill's judgment in Higgs - '[reads re Devonshire solicitors] Suggestion C manner was agressive- she was facing a man in a place where no man should be, violating her boundaries. DU is male, bigger, higher up social hierarchy. Acceptable for her to be frightened and angry. R would still have to show their response was proportionate and I say they haven't even begun. This is all I have to say re Higgs and manifestation.

NC Re credibility. R attempt to attack C credibility by allegation re supposed racism is one of the most unattractive aspects of R in this case - attempt at character assassination. Their last minute witnesses. Going though 7 years of FB to find one unattractive joke

NC: First respondents desperation to smear

I'm not back in yet! Grr

I'm going for ploughing on regardless with extra umbrage taken to NCs description of her side

from herald
1:08pm
There has been a strenuous attempt at a character assassination against Ms Peggie, the barrister said.
She said drafting in witnesses Lindsay Nicoll and Fiona Wishart showed "extraordinary hostility" against the claimant. She said they trawled through seven years worth of private messages to find messages against Ms Peggie.
"The animous shown against Ms Peggie is one of the most shocking pieces of evidence from the respondent," she said.

as requested

From TT

NC Very few people - angry, drunk, in company of trusted friends - social medial would show nothing. The animus showed towards SP by R is shocking. Esther Davison dredged up one incidence which she tried to spin against Sp and not other party

Speaks to desperation to smear SP. In my subs - R conflates sex realist beliefs with transphobia and bigotry. Treating people with ti =corollary treating them with love as other people - R says only way to treat T id people with respect is to give them what they ask for.

Shes on about the missing emails now, especially singling out Kate Searle

That's brill! You are not only a genius, Myrtle, you are a speedy, multi-tasking, highly efficient genius😄

I love this! I'll have one too please 😁

Isla Bumba evidence is unrealiable.

Extraordinary moment (when she couldn't sex herself)

Onto "remaining mysteries"

NHS Fife and the Remaining Mysteries should be a book.

from herald
1:13pm
Ms Cunningham says the respondent's legal team dredged through seven years worth of Facebook chat to find one "admittedly thoroughly unattractive shared joke."
"There must be few people whose reputation could stand up to that degree of hostile scrutiny of everything they've ever said, when tired, when drunk, when letting their hair down, when stressed, when angry, in the company of people they could trust as friends, sometimes for shock value, sometimes trying to be annoying, no doubt, for all kinds of different reasons."
Ms Cunningham says "the fact that that was the best they could do in her 30 year history as a nurse to discredit her speaks volumes."

From TT

NC Kate Searle. F in mouth email damaging to R, in possession of several R witnesses [reads names circulated email] That is came to light so late in day is to discredit or all witnesses who had email, but esp KS and Maggie Currer. And KS other email which she must have known was relevant and came to light v late.

Isla Bumba - her claim to be unable to speak to her own sex with certainty - extraordinary moment among many. That piece of evidence was taking the tribunal for fools. Clearly she knows for certainly that she is a woman

Like this? (Courtesy of ChatGPT)

NC -Isla Bumba - her claim to be unable to speak to her own sex with certainty - extraordinary moment among many. That piece of evidence was taking the tribunal for fools.
Blimey! don't hold back, NC!

A profound peculiarity

(Not sure what is, but something is)

Sounds like one for JKR

As requested

Posted too soon.

Surprising absence of Jamie Doyle, Angela Shepard... Keeps naming people

Can I have one of these too? And one of Pete in his manly man t-shirt 😂

I think we could create an entire new wardrobe of t-shirts from quotes solely from this tribunal!