NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

Memories of Harold Shipman: he altered records to strengthen his narrative, and nobody batted an eyelid until it was too late.

There is also the question of the data being manipulated with the screenshot date and time being covered by a replacement which did not quite match what the original format would have been. That goes far beyond a question of syntax, as it were.

From TT

JR Witness returns on Tues. Submission on Tues and mine on Weds?
J Possibly [swears in witness] I take evidence down by hand so please go slowly
JR What's your full name.
MC Been at Fife since March 2010. I'm deputy clinical lead in ED
MC My role breaks down to clin assessment of patients, supervision of juniors, and non-clin work eg referral letters, interacting w other specialities. And a large amount of teaching. Also critical incident review and some responsibility for oversight of dept and developing protocols.
JR How do u know SP?
MC I have worked w her since I started. We're not always present at nights and she work night shifts. We both work less than FT so might not crossover.
JR Did u know she held GC views
MC Yes, I'd heard her articulate them in non-clin areas

While also being exactly the same!

Yes, I feel like doing this for any reason should be taken very seriously because if you can do it for one thing, then it’s not a stretch to think you might do it for something even more serious.

jR How do u know SP?
MC I have worked w her since I started. We're not always present at nights and she work night shifts. We both work less than FT so might not crossover.
JR Did u know she held GC views
MC Yes, I'd heard her articulate them in non-clin areas

First person who knew about SP's GC views; specifies not articulated in clinical contexts.

MC I'd heard her say it's not poss to change sex

This is the first time I have truly regretted the loss of our laughing emoji.

JR running the clock down here I reckon.

I wonder whether Forensic Background will pipe down about his forensic background after this experience with Actual Forensic Guy.

Shocking! Where did she get fanciful ideas like that?

Yes, but there is a difference between being dishonest and having a criminal record.

Would a doctor be struck off for dishonesty in a civil matter that was tangental to practicing as a doctor?

My views exactly.

I'd pay properly money for a copy of Fifer's accoont a' this tribunal.
Beer out of nose, 70s playgroon' gear, waving' off Aunt Bessie, seein' it again like a bad side o' pakora.

I haven't cried with laughter this much in a long time.

Also, helps me keep up on the key bits.

Fancy that! A medical professional with such scientific beliefs!

JR Who interviewed? [DrU]
MC Me and another colleague. We interviewed 53 for 18 posts. Pre-employment checks done by HR including NHS Scotland checks, occ health to ensure ppl adeq protected.

Transmisia?

Trans folks can be agents of transmisia as well (particularly when acting as representatives of cis-dominated systems, such as higher education) by perpetuating the notion of gender binary or "passing" superiority and using it to discriminate against other transgender people. For example, a trans woman at a company may refuse to hire a genderqueer person because their gender presentation might "confuse" customers, or a trans male administrator at a traditionally women's college may deny the application of a non-passing trans woman for not "transitioning enough."

https://simmons.libguides.com/anti-oppression/anti-transmisia

She's rather talkative.

I always check the GMC registaation in case have restrictions or issues we're not made aware.
JR Disclosure Scot check?
MC They'll look for prev names or any issues that might have a bearing on seeing vulnerable adults and children

Oh sure. But to elaborate, I’m younger than DU and have a comp sci degree - hence being shocked from all counts that the IT witness was like it’s a mysterious error. Firstly tampering with screenshots - there’s many basic tricks a layperson would be aware of and tempted to do - hence why the supposed NHS expert testimony didn’t ring true. JR questioned the 2nd witness about his partiality but I think the same line of questioning needed to go to the NHS IT guy. I bet if the same happened in reverse, he’d have more to say…

It also seems quite crappy that the NHS can infer the issue lies with Google, without an expert from Google commenting on the likelihood of it. I reckon a Google expert would shut that down.

BURN THE WITCH

Lying under oath?

I predict that will change within seconds of the start of cross.

MC There was nothing in the checks
JR When aware of T status?
MC Before interview. We had a brief convo and asked if was aware was trans. I answered I had wondered.
JR When did this happen?
MC Sometime during the recruitment process, I cant remember exactly

neutral action ? really ?

I have NO middle names as DP's argued so much over the first one that they had no energy left for anything else.

Upton's use of 'sad times' and his histrionics make me wonder how he ever had the ability to get through his A levels and into med school.