NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #42

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025

And when MN introduced the edit function, most users very rapidly evolved their use of it to include tags such as "edited to add" whenever they changed anything beyond a simple typo. Cos we have a basic instinct towards transparency, innit.

There’s no innocent explanation for this, is there?!

Amending your notes to make them clearer, adding more detail, checking your spellings…

Editing screenshots and then rescreenshotting your screenshot…

Yeah, no. That’s not gonna wash.

That'll be the synch (sink) issues mentioned earlier

JR sounds really snarking and patronising.

I know ! And as with know from KS doctors are trustworthy 💣💥

This may be what you mean, sorry, if I didn't quite get it.

My read is that the evidence shows that the notes don't match the days DU claims.

PD testifies that during the process DU said this was a glitch in the system not him, and that it had happened before so must be just a tech problem. PD says no reason to disbelieve DU.

JB says meta data shows notes have been edited.

He tests the system to see if he can recreate glitch claimed.

Your notes can have your creation date be different only after the fact, so if your phone is offline when your notes are uploaded when you reconnect the creation date is that date and time, not the date and time when you actually wrote it.

However, that can't be done before the fact. At least he couldn't replicate that possibility and doesn't see any way how it could. Ie that the problem here is that the version history can't become an earlier date, as is being presented by DU, only a later one.

If I was her I would say “no re-examination thank you”. Any re-X will likely make matters worse.

He never got the actual phone - just some files

But Fife let DU download them himself on video call with Fife IT guy (previous witness) so not a full phone exam

I'm going to out myself now as somewhere between 'techy' and 'not very techy' (techy being a spectrum as we all know) but it sounds to me like this suggests it was a stitch up.

I love Jim.
Don't know what he costs but worth every penny.
Sad times. Sad fucking times.

She’s just making a fool of herself now. Sad times.

🤦‍♀️

JR - fair to say you were told to undermine DU account of patient care allegation

R - you weren't just asked look at notes, you were given specific part of notes. what were you told to do
JB - recover notes re patient care allegation
JR - why
JB - not told, just to do it

Hahahaha no I predicted that as a joke!

Could give rise to contempt proceedings or police Scotland could investigate for perverting course of justice (or Scot’s equivalent). They can seize the phone (if it hasn’t been dropped off the Skye ferry cf Wagatha case)

JR sounds desperate

She can’t help herself, it’ll be tears before bedtime. Sad times indeed.

Oh fuck off JR

I love this witness. He seems no nonsense and looking at JR like she's a bit foolish.

Oh dear. JR making accusations and Naomi intervening. Not good

Edit-. Not Naomi. Her junior

As an Actual Forensic Guy, it must be very satisfying to find something so dodgy.

Twitter is golden at the moment :

"It seems the ‘good’ doctor has doctored his ‘contemporaneous’ notes" 😃

I know this isn't criminal court but it does feel extremely criminal

But if he hadn't faked the notes there would be no undermining. This is an odd line of questioning.

OH MY GOD

She really has nothing.

This is a very good witness. He's giving very brief, on point answers to JR without further embellishment.