NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #37

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.
Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36

Please read the last few pages of this thread to understand the motivations of @Tandora and where they stand on women’s rights. It’s not pretty and they are chief trolling for those not familiar. It’s gone past a difference of opinion now.

It’s the only one I can be arsed signposting but it’s one of many.

Sandie’s fight thread will prevail again tomorrow. Hopefully.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5372616-thread-2-why-cant-people-respect-the-rules-around-toilets?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

Then please give them a proper wide berth (my phone corrected this to Beth - cheeky! 😂).

Put your actual science, which we are yet to see, in the other thread.

GI thanks you for your service

Putting things in quotation marks doesn’t do anything, and I see you swerved the issue of why you’re doing this.

And you’re quite right - I wasn’t familiar with the term troll-hunting, but MN doesn’t like it…they say because it encourages them. They’d much rather they were just reported instead. Fair enough.

Noting the post count is over 950 and the time maybe we’d best all knock it off for the night be it sex, celeriac, cricket or the actual case?

Strange how not a single person who is certain what woman doesn't mean has the slightest idea what it does mean.

Unless of course, it's a man who says he's a woman, and then they know exactly what it does mean. Although it seems to mean a pretty frock of a style that no girl over six would wear, long hair, and slapped on makeup, plus high heels.

Excellent idea. Nauticant’s thread are for the SP case not debating the usual define sex/gender bollocks

Oh, nauticant has already set up thread 38, bless her.

I know it's a waste of thread space... but OTOH people who are finding out more about the issue read these threads, and it helps to see why such arguments are disingenuous bunk by seeing them taken apart. The likes of Tandora do everyone a kind of Socratic service by showing what irrational pseudoscientific reachery is cobbled together to defend GI. It's a bit like the "science" of creationism.

Oh fuck, where on earth will I find a TARDIS to cart my multidimensional sex about in at this time of night?

Yes, I think it might help newbies to this kind of stuff to see that the GI crowd are failing to answer valid questions.

Yes totally agree. I’ve said many times Tandora does the heavy lifting for us. They do more for our rights than they know. The majority won’t be convinced by any mental notion Tandora comes out with. Can’t argue with crazy.

I just feel for those just trying to stick to the topic at hand and I realise I’m contributing to this but it’s difficult to hold my water. So I’m sorry to those who don’t want to encourage Tandora and their ilk.

I imagine a lot of posters speculate, at some point, how many people out there are following this thread, but never commenting? I don't know the stats, but I think MN has a pretty big audience.

@SternlyMatthews

The defensive phrasing amounts to an error under pressure as she tried to tiptoe between the Scylla of non disclosure & the Charybdis of collusion.

This is hands-down the best sentence I have ever read on MN - and possibly ever ever.

May I borrow it, Sternley? Please?

I didn’t mean to criticise the judge, there is clearly a lot going on behind the scenes. If however the witnesses are only going to be questioned for 3-3.5 hours per working day, progress will be slow, more so if the Rs counsel is constantly chipping in and interrupting when NC is doing cross examination.

I am a little worried that the tribunal won't finish in time, like in February.

Thank you! Looks good

You're forced to eat the wretched stuff if you're on a keto diet as a highly unsatisfying substitute for potato!

HTH😂

Thanks for this. But I don’t quite get the significance of the newest mail being part of the chain.

Obviously not initially disclosing it looks terrible for Fife, and the colluding 6, but if the rest of the chain demonstrates the 6 of them colluding, the initial mail being more blunt about that, isn’t really that much worse. What am I missing?

Also, Danish meatballs in a white sauce celeriac stew with lemon and parsley, eaten with buttered rye bread, is a gorgeous Danish winter dish.

Yesterday I made an error. I thought these were NHS Fife Equality Impact Assessments and Risk Assessments that the Lock Ness Monster coughed up when Maya Forstater did her Citizen's Arrest

Revealed today in the Tribunal that they are actually emails from medics, shared strictly on a "need to knuckle‑dust a nurse" basis.

https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1947701157935141170

I don't think its in Fifes interests to keep calling more witnesses.
Every one they have called has made the hole bigger.

Big Sond isn't going to be impressed that they haven't disclosed those emails for the second time.

Unless their IT dept pull it out the bag and throw the whole lot of them under a tank. That can be the only thing that will save the person at the tops backside!

Exactly! As I said earlier, it makes her look guilty as hell.

It obviously isn’t like potato, but given that you’re not ever going to be allowed that on a keto diet it’s fine as what it is 😂

The first email must have something in it the 6 of them colluded in. Something that is really really damaging to them all.

They've had two chances to cough it up. They've clearly discussed it with the comment that KS made.