NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #37

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.
Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33
Thread 34: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377387-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-34
Thread 35: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5377598-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-35
Thread 36 mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5378031-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-36

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https://x.com/moleatthedoor/status/1947675618922926294

When someone got confused between the journalism course and the creative writing course.

Women's sex hormones fluctuate throughout their lives, from week to week and year to year. At no point does this imply that they have changed sex.

The series of events as so far understood, does support the claimant's view that there was no fair process followed.

We know that the Drs and senior nurses had already carried out and concluded their investigation via email, long before there was any talk of what the respondents are calling "the investigation".

There was no chance of a fair procedure or just outcome and I expect Big Sond and The Paunel already see that.

I'm very hopeful for success for the claimant and to learn some interesting new legal ways to say "bams were at it" in the judgement.

You have not referenced any actual scientific research

very strange claim which can be easily falsified by reading the thread.

Also curious is the level of rage and verbal ad hominem attack/ character- decimation provoked by respectful discussion of scientific realities in relation to sex development.

That is called.....gender stereotypes.

Which is solely what 'trans' is about.

The lack of knowledge of the female body and hormones never fails to amaze me.

It's like men who don't know which hole women pee out of.

I dont know what i did last summer dept!! 🤣

No but unusual variations in hormones at particular stages of development, or unusual variations in how the body responds (or not) to sex hormones, can create variations in sex development including psychosexual development

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I knew the BBC was captured, but I must say I have been completely astonished and disgusted by their headlines this week, they aren't even attempting to be even-handed.

Except you don't have a bloody clue about sex development despite finding some clever sounding links to intimidate us with.

That what annoys me. The continual medical illiteracy. Which makes it so much worse when it's bloody doctors repeating this claptrap they know not to be true.

There was, I saved it.

No being trans is not about gender stereotypes. This is another example of a transphobic trope.

Is it just the way my brain works (or not works) but did anyone find it curious that CM played rugby as did Dr U at some point because with all this email hiding and seemingly having instantly knew Dr U was telling the truth and what not makes me think i wonder how close these people were outside of work 🤔

Love that wall-sign!

Deja-vu Dept being included twice - genius! 😂

DU played hockey, rather than rugby, I think.

@BezMills about the only way I can keep a grasp on all of this is by reading your posts.

Especially the Fifer (I hope the beer has stopped coming out of his nose).

Thank for the information and the entertainment.

Yes it was yesterday's witness (Charlotte?) who played rugby

Oh come on, you know full well that there is barely a hospital department in the UK that hasn't had to deal with dozens of women complaining that other women are not stripping off in front of them. Basically a daily occurence, apart from in the more woke hospitals where the nurses all get changed together whilst giggling and having pillow fights and swapping tampons.

I'm really not trying to intimidate you - if you read recent posts the attempts at intimidation are clearly all the other way (a bit like this tribunal perhaps?)

Has it occurred to you that the doctors might be "repeating this claptrap" because they have medical training and therefore are actually knowledgeable about the biological complexities of sex development?

PPs have been asking about the 'missing' email thing. I was observing remotely so perhaps it was slightly easier to follow the ins and outs but of course I may still have misunderstood.

FWIW my understanding is that Maggie Currer's 'need to know basis' email was the last in a chain circulating amongst 6 individuals including KS. However it was disclosed only as a separate email during the hearing in February (I think Boswell is wrong when he says April, both sides in court today agreed MC's email was during the hearing in February). NC put it to KS that she and the others in the chain deliberately severed it from the chain when they were asked to trawl and disclose their emails in April/May because it was seriously embarrassing on several counts.

If so, this would amount to tampering with evidence.

The technical evidence from the Fife IT guy and/or the phone forensics guy is going to be very interesting.

Trans is 100%, 100% solely about misogyny and social contagion. It is simply this century's Mens Rights Movement.

There is precisely zero evidence at all about how misogyny and social contagion operates or that it's about 'trans'. There is no test for that. If there was a test, 'trans' people would be champing at the bit for it. The very fact that trans identified males are full of Male Entitlement and hateful and spiteful vindictiveness towards womens spaces proves they have Male Pattern Thought Process. Which proves it is simply misogyny and a malignant hatred of women. None of them are conciliatory or self-sacrificing like women, proving they are male in thought and deed. You've been brainwashed by a violent, dangerous and hateful Toxic Masculinity agenda.

It probably sounded better in her echo chamber

i have seen a thousand of these things and not one of them ever suggested a link between trans and intersex til about 10 years ago curiously around the time we started to get force fed the sex isnt binary narrative!