NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

He said, she said. Or she said, she said?

Who is the Typhoid Mary coughing away in the room?

I'm having (yet another) a WTF moment watching this.

Millions of people around the world are following a tribunal that is about a woman telling a man he shouldn't be in a women's changing room.

It blows my mind how far NHS Fifes head was up their arse.

I heard two 'she's' but with a slight hitch on the first one. A sort of 'h-she'.

😂

So CM was briefed for the suspension review with a rundown of the defamatory hearsay, but no documents. No statements from both parties on the original incident, no statement of the reason for the suspension decision.

Cause it sounds like Miss Piggie, wouldn't surprise me if they have been name calling too

From The Herald: NHS Fife have changed their statement again :)

Surely they've been ordered to step away from the computer.....

The sphinx-like NC may be thinking that she could use CM's relative non-bat-shit-ness to highlight the total bat-shit-ness around her?

From TT:
CM "When I looked at GR we have to treat the person as the sex they ID as."

Nope, this is Stonelaw. Also been used by schools to justify why they 'have to' pretend girls are boys and vice versa.

Does it just say "we are idiots"?

Re just scrolling past the irrelevant posts, I know there will always be a bit of chat but you filled 12 pages with soup and snibs while waiting for today's session to start. That's over quarter of a thread, and puts a much greater burden on poor nauticant than necessary (as well as those trying to catch up).

Thank you for continuing to reveal the absolute nonsense that is GI. Please could an AI user do a lovely pic of a swivel eyed dinosaur ….

With regard to FoE - stop and think.
Firstly there are accusations/hearsay that SP has said things that are racist, homophobic, a Trump supporter etc.

Secondly Maya’s EAT did say their were limits on expressing GC beliefs in the workplace.

Both SP and DrU appear to have been limited in what they say at work I.e. obeying the FoE rules. In the CM is saying SP hasn’t breached FoE at work.

“When I looked at GR we have to treat the person as the sex they ID as. And wanted SP tot be treated equally and fairly”

The EA does not say you have to treat them as the sex they are not at all times.

And your point is?

Yep - and in ideal world Stonewall would be held to account for the all the mess and misery they created

JR You write to SP on Mar 28th. You ref the Sx being reinstated to further explore matters

or was that to explore further matters, e.g. the belated unprofessional conduct allegations?

I saw a poll on Twitter asking how may versions there would be by Monday,

Option 1 9 versions
Option 2 36 Versions
Option 3 Eleventy Billion.

Obviously option 3 was correct.

😂

I just click at page numbers until I find the one that is at the approx start hearing time. You don't need to read the rest.

NoBinturongsHereMate but now Aston Uni can't use the data they scraped from the thread because of the deviation.

It doesn’t make sense. They’re in March and still messing around with proposed shift changes. You can’t just keep saying you’re being “supportive”. None of this is supportive. It’s infuriating.

How in the fuck do you work in a hospital without ever acknowledging male and female sex?

This is crazy.

Anyone know what GR is in this context?