NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #34

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30.

Thread 30: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-sil
ence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30
Thread 31: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375819-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-31
Thread 32: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376072-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-32
Thread 33: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5376608-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-33

Age spread of participants?
I'm in my early 70s.
I'm pretty sure there are some young people in here too ...

A transtrum?

(I know I can't be the first person to think of that.)

54 (I think) and lurking whilst working (for myself). Loving the local dialect chat though. Had no idea 'outwith' was Scottish! We're all linguistic magpies. (I said at work that someone was "All mouth and no trousers" and got the largest collection of blank/WTF looks in history!)

Already got one. It's very nice. 😁

But some of those ads, though ... 😍 They're whetting my appetite for camping in August.

DH would love it with anchovies but I'm agin them myself, though might try it with a tiny portion to see if I still dislike them or not. If they're still horrible, then DH can eat that portion.

I'm about to get on a train for an hour so hopefully things will kick off then. After that I'm meeting friends for a boozy lunch so probably won't catch up until much later! I might need to have plenty loo breaks to check up on proceedings.

Agreed. These threads are quite long enough without adding a couple of hours of unrelated chat.

TT - JR questions to CM - apparently no ref to statement??

Not heard that one, fur coat and nae knickers

For the next time someone wants to play the 'where's the anti-trans sentiment on mumsnet' game.

Is anyone else still in the waiting room?

How odd, I thought they'd at least briefly reference it.

settle down at the back! it's started!

if i could go back to school and college i think i would study the origins of words and sayings and that kind of thing cos i love finding out where the english language has come from and how its changed and its meanings and all that..

Still WFTCHTJ in Rm 8

Camping where? August is a very unreliable month weather-wise. Can be searing heat in the daytime, freezing at night with frost on the sleeping bag, or unremitting downpours with wind and hail.

I'd wait til September and just go for the weekend.

Same

We always have other chat on these threads, feel free to scroll past.

From TT

We are in the hearing and waiting for the judge to arrive.
CM (Charlotte Myles) is in the witness box.
CM sworn in
J Big Sond Please speak up as I write longhand.
JR Full name plse
CM Charlotte Myles
JR How long have u worked at Fife
CM Started June 23. I'm Clinical Services manager in ED
CM My role is complex, I line manage Clin Nurse Mgers and consultants and some financial oversight. Before Fife I was at Dumfries Trust, ran a rural hospital.
JR ED, LH and LC - did u manage them?
CM No
JR Did u manage Searle Pitt or Curran?
CM Not directly. Only if on-call

Fifer : we're aff tae the Thornton Greyhoonds the day!

For years I resisted looking up what the word 'scallion' actually meant, because the term was so enjoyably intriguing whenever I stumbled on it. I imagined it as some kind of heraldic embellishment on knightly armour or something. Then i found out it was spring onions and the world went grey.

Same with Hannibal Lector and fava beans. He seemed much less cool and scary when I realised these were just good old butter beans

Just in now

This is a significant and complex case. It’s important that the full hearing is being shared publicly and transparently. Looking forward to seeing how the tribunal addresses the serious claims raised—thanks for sharing all the resources and updates.

I'm following TT - CM starting off by covering her arse

from TT
JR When were u 1st aware of DU?
CM I was 1st aware of DU in Feb when sent an email in error.
JR Looking at the email on p290 [hunting in bundle] the top email is from 16.2.24. Is this the email?

email sent in error - par for the course!

From TT

JR When were u 1st aware of DU?
CM I was 1st aware of DU in Feb when sent an email in error.
JR Looking at the email on p290 [hunting in bundle] the top email is from 16.2.24. Is this the email?
CM Yes
JR Why sent to the wrong person?
MC As mentioned Angie Shepherd and mention

Fifer : CM is anglin for a complete body-swerve here. Nice and quick, aff the hook, hame fer tea. Will her tea be warm or cauld, it's onybidy's guess the noo.