NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

I''ve not seen anything like it before.

Mind you, I admire the commissioner's forbearance and stamina for being able to wade through that interminably dull pile of whingey drivel to the end. I'm afraid it was something of a "Lord, take me now" moment for me.

But it's just such concrete proof that there is NO room for being kind, being polite, using preferred names, pronouns etc UNLESS and UNTIL you are also prepared to share sss and get undressed with the too.

It's brilliant for SP case because it is so clear that her protected GC belief could not be accommodated in this organisation but it should be a very clear message to all those who say "couldn't you just..." because it is never ever enough.

The statement has just reloaded for me and yes it has been amended. Many references to SexMatters have been removed. What a carcrash.

Maya the love child of Trump and J K.

Just caught up. WTF were Fife trying to do with that statement?? SM is a campaigning organization. They literally exist to influence public opinion. It is their fucking job. Yes it sucks when you only have the Fox Botherer in your corner, but you can't blame the women for that!

Yes, they are limited in what they can say. What would they say if they had the chance??? They have been shown to be so wrong and incompetent at every step. No understanding of the law, no policies, no record keeping and a process utterly biased from the start.

I am sure it is gotten really nasty behind the scenes on all sides. But it was them who called SPs daughter and husband to the stand, dragging her family right into front and centre. A horrendous low blow, I think designed to highlight her working class origins.

Why are they so worried about public opinion? It is not the public who will be passing verdict on this utter shit show. It will be the judge. I didn't think I could have a lower opinion of them, but they reallllllly plumbed the depths with this one. I can't wait until they get their arses handed to them on a plate.

I don’t know about anyone else but I just felt moved to do a one off donation to Sex Matters, without them this insanity wouldn’t have been as exposed to the public.

Cheers Naomi & Maya and every other member of your organisation 🍸

I. Need. The. LOL. Emoji

I read that as LC thought SP referring to DU as male was the anti trans thing, not as LC misgendering DU.

My post at 18:05? Not a proper archive, apologies, but carries the image.

Yes, that’s the Scottish Information Commissioner. He’s the one who was commented about in leaked correspondence sent to a woman who has been waiting for her own SAR request linked to her son’s healthcare.

This gives more info on that aspect:

https://x.com/georgia_edkins/status/1941561318848209087?s=46

“😱 NHS Fife brands the Scottish Information Commissioner ‘emotional’ and ‘not professional’ in bizarre diatribe contained in an internal legal document - which, in a massive data breach, it accidentally sent to a concerned mother

The internal document shows bosses were left fizzing with rage at David Hamilton after he ruled the board had acted unlawfully by rejecting requests to reveal its legal bill for the Sandie Peggie case 🧐

Then! It breached all journalistic/Press office professional conduct norms and uploaded a statement to its website more than 24 hours before publication in a bid to undermine the story. Luckily, no one saw it “

100% NHS Fife will be used as a case study in the future in HR departments and uni courses as an example of how not to deal with a situation. The emails sent by the investigator before she had even met with SP is a particular clanger.

Bloody hell, it's all happening! I can't get the Fife statement to load up, not sure if that's due to too much traffic?! Sounds like they're just determined to keep making things worse for themselves. Honestly how do these people get these jobs?!

Still have the whole day to catch up on, off to do that now.

That is fucking hilarious

I wonder if SP's suspension is on full pay? I do hope so.

✅ Good weather
✅ No more daily exposure to fuckwit colleagues
✅ The prospect of sainthood a book deal

New from NHS Fife - essence of FAFO

The new fragrance for anyone on the right side of history

The decision related to making reasonable and proportionate searches for information they might hold on costs of the case in response to FOI requests. I think Fife said they didn’t have the information directly and had to request it.

At this point it won’t fit into a film. We were heading for a mini series (I’m thinking like ‘A woman of Substance’), but after today’s malarkey, it’s more like one of those endless series where you have no idea wtf is going on. Like ‘Twin Peaks’ or ‘Lost’
We’ll need a good theme tune and @BezMills commentary included.
Off to carry on catching up - what a day to miss! Fortunately not needed at work next week so will be watching along side all all you wonderful vipers.

I think NHS Fife have pulled the statement - can't get anything to load.

Yes, I've been experiencing the same problem for hours. Damn your eyes, Safari browser.

The Information Commission must be using Chrome.

You would think if NHS Fife thought the information commissioner was 'emotional', they would heve walked him to his car and done a one sided group email in support.

Make a copy of the new version somewhere - can you copy and paste into this thread?

It's the Information Commissioner, in charge of Freedom of Information for Scotland. It's astonishing and I wish I had a drink in my hand 😂

I'm using Chrome and it's not working for me either

I'm currently singing

Baby, look at me
And tell me what you see
You ain't seen the best of me yet
Give me time, I'll make you forget the rest

I got more in me
And you can set it free
I can catch the moon in my hands
Don't you know who I am?
Remember my name

FIFE

Some time ago the press (I think) put in a Freedom of Information request to NHS Fife asking them to reveal how much they had spent on this case. They refused to supply the information. This went to the Scottish Information Commissioner who told them they had to release the information. NHS Fife were not happy. Just how unhappy they were was revealed in a data breach when a mother requested her son's medical records and, instead of sending them, NHS Fife sent her a copy of his judgement with comments from Fife branding him emotional, selective and not professional. However, NHS Fife told the Commissioner that they would comply with his judgement.

Fife's statement this afternoon throws doubt on whether they have complied fully with the Commissioner's ruling. If they have not, that is contempt of court and could be very costly for them.