NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

Can’t believe they didn’t run it past JR before publishing. She must be just a little bit miffed even though she’s pretending she can’t see anything wrong with it.

after watching this you can see why SP hasn’t settled at all. she is a racist but sorry we don’t have any actual evidence. The witnesses have all be a bit evasive with can’t remember, can’t recall, maybe, no notes blah blah blah.

Total stitch up. Carol Potter and the board have no control over what is going on. I am assuming that a press release like that would need board approval.
They don’t want KS stuff tweeted or reported upon - that’s NC’s hammer blow and Fife know it.

I know men who cried when confronted about their negative actions. It’s a despicable form of manipulation. Entirely engineered to elicit sympathy especially from women. And shame on the BBC for using that emotive headline in their despicable attempt to engineer sympathy for DrU.

FFS! The BBC are just taking the piss now!

Me too, best laid plans and all that

I don’t want SP to sign an NDA. I want to buy her book!

It fits into the current tactic of referring to something called 'GC Ideology' mirroring [as they keep doing these days] our use of 'trans ideology'.

The difference is that we're not promoting a counter-ideology, we're promoting scientific fact, and stating that human sex is binary and immutable is not ideological.

But if GC is an ideology, SM & NC are promoters of an ideology, exactly the same as TRAs promote theirs, and so are incapable of objectivity.

Which is not a great thing to say about a barrister...

I'm officially lost

Who has complained to Police Scotland and about what?

honestly, I think media do this on purpose. The obfuscation I mean.

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Who has complained to Police Scotland and about what?

I don't think we know.

They don't mention that Sandie has also received threats

Beth's own side misgendered Beth repeatedly. I hope they're enjoying the wide and varied delicacies on the menu at HMP Corton Vale tonight.

I want to watch the film.

the NHSF statement is posted at full at 16.33 on
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and a few other places, it was posted in its original form before somebody at NHSF read and and thought oh shit we'd change that, it looks like we're blaming SM for the threats...

LC - I think she had an intolerance to people who are transgender

JR what made you think that

LC because she told me she didnt agree with a male changing in female CR

This is an utterly ridiculous statement to make.

So unless you actively support men in women's sss you're intolerant.

There was an ET judgment on Twitter the other day, where it was concluded that the claimant would be unable to continue in their role. Their award was salary until retirement plus associated pension contributions.

I don’t suppose anybody else saw it?

I think it might have been another NHS case, nothing to do with GC, and I don’t think the claimant was physically injured.

The past few days have made me feel even sorrier for Sandie Peggie. .

I've always thought working in A&E must be a particularly challenging area of nursing/medicine. But I've since revised that opinion. It must have been sheer, unmitigated hell to have to work alongside such thick, incompetent, smug and duplicitous colleagues everyday - the patients would have been light relief.

Well the Dagenham Ford Women became a film.
So there is every chance. Just pray no one lets Billy Bragg write any of the musical score.

I have been trying to catch up.
What the hell do Fife think they are doing?
You couldn't make it up....
(Though actually it seems a lot of those involved are really good at making stuff up 😁

Does anyone have an archive of the original version of the BBC article which carries the 'trans doctor sobbed' headline??

Its amongst the many clangers.

Its like you kind of expect the opposition to lead you into a big hole, not your own side.
JR must be kicking herself for that one.

Cowered. Taken the demotion, the loss of shift pattern, work place and the ability to talk to colleagues, family and friends about her day and just shut the fuck up.

I hope so, I didn't know it had gone.
Now they have
Lawyers for nurse in trans case criticise 'irresponsible' health board
which is a big improvement - the headline, anyway.

JR has told them about NC’s reaction. Or maybe Carol received a phone call from MF saying our lawyers will be in touch.

so Fife issued a statement, archived it and have already had to issue a new version.

It’s not going well for them.