NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

please god that one day this is turned into a farce play

from tt
CE - a good part of the reason this is taking place in Dundee not Edinburgh because in part because of threats made to SP legal team. At that time SP didn't describe that publically or attribute this to anyone because doing so would be entirely improper

unfortunately paras 3 and 4 of this press statement seem to do that. If i can finish. If we look at para 3 that's identifying the CEO of Sex Matters and the claimants barrister and describes that orgs involvement in the media and suggests it's involved in steering public opinion

I’ve just popped on and see I’ve missed something massive.

Madly scrolling to find out what…

CE - a good part of the reason this is taking place in Dundee not Edinburgh because in part because of threats made to SP legal team. At that time SP didn't describe that publically or attribute this to anyone because doing so would be entirely improper

WTF have I missed?

Had to take a long work call and it's all kicked off

Fife are trying to nobble Naomi Cunningham as well as smear Sex Matters, Sandie and all Terfs. They've nothing left so have gone full dirty tactics.

You know in spooky films when the priest throws the Holy Water on the Demons and they writhe and self combust? Fife's press release reminds me of that.

Can anyone tell.me what the statement says as the page won't load

From TT

CE - a good part of the reason this is taking place in Dundee not Edinburgh because in part because of threats made to SP legal team. At that time SP didn't describe that publically or attribute this to anyone because doing so would be entirely improper unfortunately paras 3 and 4 of this press statement seem to do that. If i can finish. If we look at para 3 that's identifying the CEO of Sex Matters and the claimants barrister and describes that orgs involvement in the media and suggests it's involved in steering public opinion

NC's ring flashes staccatto bursts of blood red. Throughout the offices of NHS Fife and certain bougie garden offices, NHS officials blink out of existence for exactly microseconds each. They return three microseconds later, but are exactly 23 minutes older, having spent those minutes in the care of The Cyber Ghost Of FAFO Future. Forever altered, never to be the same. For they have all seen the front page of next Friday's Courier.

posted upthread

https://archive.is/wh9UE

Thing is, is once they are out in the wild, they are out.

No point in just ignoring it here. The deed is done.

I haven't read it in full. I got a few paragraphs in and was too annoyed to go any further. However, there is no general ban on litigants talking to the press, but this could have consequences for the amount of compensation awarded or possibly costs. And, from the bit I've read, I think there is a possibility that they've left themselves open to being sued for libel.

OK I'm shouting at the laptop now

WTF are NHS Fife thinking?!?!

Each day in this tribunal has its own bombshell. I wish I'd applied to view it live now!!

from tt
CE- Para 4 seems to conclude that in the context of this debate that this has evolved into more worrying behaviour that has required the involvement of police Scotland. This statement on day 3 of resumed procedings...It is a matter of some concern that a party to these procedings...

.with SP has been linked to behaviours of members of the public. There are factual inaccuracies that will be dealt with on Monday. The short point is that this is unusual conduct. It is irresponsible in the context of what we already know. It is for this reason we bring

What's happening? I've been out and not kept up with proceedings. Has something massive happened?

So presumably NC is taking instructions from SP, while CE is trying to think on her feet about asking panel to consider the seriousness of the Fife statement.

From TT It doesn't seem that JR knew it was going to be released? Or at least hasn't read it before now?

Oh dear. Jane Russell trying to close down access.

They really are making it utterly impossible for Sandie Peggie to go back to work aren't they?! 🙈🙈

Oh no....I see where this is going

CE tearing NHS Fife a new arsehole.

NHSF statement - posted upthread, probably pages ago now!

This is SOOOOO an attempt to get TT shut down isn't it????

Fife issued a statement

.this to the Tribunals notice and any other steps to be taken?
J - Miss Russell?
Jr - I would also like time to think about it I am still unclear what order isbeing sought. On this statement - nothing said that isn't true. I don't think there is any defamation. In any event none of it isnt true. A stretch to say that Para 3 is leading to Para 4. That the roles of the people in para 3 are associated to the worrying treatment in para 4. I don't make that connection