NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

Totally blaming SP. Cunts.

Haven’t they just cleared her of the ward nonsense? Am confused.

They've Ddos-ed themselves.

But apparently this is a 'niche' issue that only a tiny number of people care about.

Apart from everyone watching this live and has just helped to melt NHS Fife's servers.

That scuffling and angry baa-ing sound you can hear is the management team at NHS Fife running around the scapegoat enclosure trying to catch one.

The other reflection I have from today is that I'm so glad that the question around Dr Upton's fitness to practice, if he didn't report a serious safety issue of a nurse walking out on a patient, was also finally raised.

I have to say dropping a statement like that at 4pm on a Friday when the tribunal is going on is very nhs fife. They’re going to run out of their own limbs to shoot off soon!!!

Honestly, if people are suffering delusions or hallucinations or something like that, what's it going to do to them to be told he's a woman and they can't say otherwise?

Is that not a patient care issue? Along with his assertion that he'd present himself to a woman who requested a female doctor?

From Fifes statement

As made clear during tribunal proceedings, the disciplinary process was initiated due to concerns raised about interactions with a colleague and patient care

But hasn't it already been established that concerns about patient care (Sandie walking out of cubicles etc) weren't even made until months after her suspension. The suspension was solely due to the manner in which Sandie challenged Upton in the changing room?

They've got feet like colanders at this stage

My final reflection is that clearly NHS Fife meant to post that press statement after the Tribunal had finished for today. Their incompetence across every facet of the organisation continues to astound me.

NHS Fife are insane. Fancy releasing that in the middle of a tribunal.

"While the claimant raised concerns about a trans woman’s use of a locker room, this was not the reason that NHS Fife’s internal investigation was initiated. As made clear during tribunal proceedings, the disciplinary process was initiated due to concerns raised about interactions with a colleague and patient care."

🤔

Isn't this in question and currently being established by the tribunal?

feet like colanders 😂

Me neither

Has anyone seen any threats anywhere on social media relating to this since the tribunal restarted? Don't link, obviously, but if you have, say so.

For "stage and TV"...

Is this a last desperate ‘dead cat’ move? Why would they issue that statement at this point? 🤨

If they made shotgun barrels U shaped, NHS Fife would take up shooting.

Thank you to those who posted the transcription of NHS Fife's statement - I was tapping on the link like a demented mouse, shrieking 'open dammit! Open!'

I hope Sex Matters absolutely molocates them.

The same incident that wasn’t reported?

My God.

I'm starting to think someone at Fife must be a GC double agent working to bring them down from within.

I can well imagine that the female witnesses in this have received threats, somehow it seems to be the norm these days. Fuck knows why, but I got comments like that just for commenting on a FB post one day. And I'm not in the media spotlight.

I cannot understand why Fife would put out a statement like that in the middle of the tribunal hearings. Unless this is a "just jump on the landmine and get it over with" moment?

NHS Fife focusing on Sex Matters as the eminence grise behind all this is in keeping with a number of attempts to portray SM as a shadowy, right-wing-funded anti-trans body - there are a couple of threads on here about it. The Evening Standard even joined in the 'Who Are SM?' non-investigative-journalism carry-on.

If I was looking for fingerprints on the NHS Fife statement, I'd be looking at who is currently attempting to smear Sex Matters..

I don't think NHS Fife's antics are going to endear themselves to the Judge, especially at home time on a weekend.

And surely, the Judge will take a dim view of this, and its timing?