NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #31

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.
Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #29 can be found in the header of thread #30, found here: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5375337-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-30

Ooh!

”NC can we have a five minute break there has been a development from NHS Fife on which I would be glad to take instructions, and I may be instructed to address tribunal”

wonder what’s happening?

The press statement in question? https://www.nhsfife.org/news-updates/latest-news/2025/07/statement-on-the-recommencement-of-the-employment-tribunal/

That’s me quoting from TT posts on X…

LC because she told me she didnt agree with a male changing in female CR

fife misgendering Beth AGAIN 😆

JR you were asked if SP should be asked to change in front of a man. Do you think Dr U is a man?
LC - no I don't.

Is that the sound of a towel being thrown in?

Non-stop drama on this one.

What has happened?

WHAT IS HAPPENING!!! 😮

Hope it can't wait!

what was the threat of physical harm and sexual violence? Who from? Who to? Is it anythmg to do with Sex MAtters or are they just smearing them by putting them in the same paragraph?

And there it is.

She is intolerant because she doesn’t want to change in front of a bloke.

Absolutely no attempt to balance Sandie’s rights against Upton’s.

That answer could be the most damning admission of the whole tribunal.

so LC is a nurse who can’t tell the difference between a man and a woman

that must make her job very very difficult 🤪

I cannot get past the fact that when all of these women were told Upton had the right to use the female changing room, that all of them stepped back and complied. I shouldn't be shocked, I know that, because I seen first hand how quickly women scramble to protect abusive men. I've seen it first hand. But I still am. It makes me both furious and sad at the same time.

<cough>bullshit<cough>

EHRC website only admits to 'anti-trans', not 'anti-cis' discrimination being illegal. Also says single people are not protected from discrimination versus married and civilly partnered people, despite the lack of specific language to that effect in the Act.

It's like watching Columbo repeats on a sick day.

😂😂😂😂😂
Get that woman a trench coat and a fat cigar!

I can't access it currently. Must be a lot of peeps trying to log on.

Can someone post the content of the statement? I’m not getting the page to open.

NC can we have a five minute break there has been a development from NHS Fife on which I would be glad to take instructions, and I may be instructed to address tribunal
J - can it wait until Monday
NC NO
Jul 18, 2025 · 2:52 PM UTC

This from NHS Fife statement

While NHS Fife recognises the clear public interest in the tribunal, and of scrutinising NHS Fife’s actions as a public body, it remains important to be mindful of the privacy of all those giving evidence in the case. There has been significant and very polarised debate on social media regarding the case and associated issues, throughout. In some cases, however, what began as debate has evolved into much more worrying behaviour, including a threat of physical harm and sexual violence, which has required the involvement of Police Scotland.

I wonder if this happened on twitter?

(Should say - I'm not in the room, just a reaction to GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder upthread.)

While NHS Fife recognises the clear public interest in the tribunal, and of scrutinising NHS Fife’s actions as a public body, it remains important to be mindful of the privacy of all those giving evidence in the case. There has been significant and very polarised debate on social media regarding the case and associated issues, throughout. In some cases, however, what began as debate has evolved into much more worrying behaviour, including a threat of physical harm and sexual violence, which has required the involvement of Police Scotland.

What's this?

FROM TT
[Some discussion about documents.]
J - who on Monday? Charlotte Miles all day.
NC - can we have a five minute break there has been a development from NHS Fife on which I would be glad to take instructions, and I may be instructed to address tribunal
J - can it wait until Monday

To clarify, a five minute break and then a return to the tribunal room has been requested as there has been a press statement released by NHS Fife, the one I linked previously, I believe.

And the smoking gun is unearthed by her own side’s barrister!!!!!

you couldn’t make it up

Thanks for the clarification. I stand corrected.