NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #27

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions wereFri provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
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Is it normal you can see other people's names?

So no misconduct.Hurrah.
Liar Liar big girl pants on fire.

Thought for the day:

However bad your life is, at least you're not Jane Russell.

I look forward to seeing what happens when the hearing gets under way.

Don't we all!

It's from the statement from NHS fife. So patronising!!!

It's a personal choice @Pinkrabittbut while the hearing is in session I'm not going to comment on anything I see or hear as an observer. (Assuming I do see and hear things.)

Am also looking forward to Michael Foran's daily summary.

"the panel concluded that a facilitated reflective practice discussion would be appropriate."

Translation: we will have an ice-breaker session followed by some sub-group exercises, and by the end of the session we will have a collection of post-it notes with vague concepts. This will be written up into a report or possibly a Powerpoint presentation, which no-one will ever read. We won't talk about this ever again.

If they want to continue to defend themselves, I expect this to be their defence. I'm not convinced it flies and, even if it does, I don't think it helps Upton.

I think that's accurate. TT and others on the inside have to have approval from the court to tweet or otherwise release information during proceedings. Once it's on "the outside" then we can discuss it further.

Any mumsnet users or others without such approval, should not be tweeting or posting live details from the hearing, is our general understanding, I think.

Yes, you can see the names of the other observers

"The panel concluded that a facilitated reflective practice discussion would be appropriate."

The fuckers can't just let go, can they? In Sandie's position I think I might regard that as ongoing harassment.

I don't know why, but I actually thought it would start on time today.

IIRC, this tribunal barely ever started before 11 anyways. I expect today will be worse with all the corridor chats required.

It has absolutely everything. I've been thinking that for ages. The backer absolutely made a wonderful decision to back this.

Thank God for them both, talent and determination!

CAnt keep up but hearald has wording from the disciplinary " the panel found that there was insufficient evidence to support a finding of misconduct. While no formal sanctions have been imposed, the panel concluded that a facilitated reflective practice discussion would be appropriate."

I suspect Sandie will want more than that

After reviewing the evidence presented, including written submissions and witness testimony, the panel found that there was insufficient evidence to support a finding of misconduct. While no formal sanctions have been imposed, the panel concluded that a facilitated reflective practice discussion would be appropriate.

"NHS Fife acknowledges that this was a complex and sensitive matter, and we are satisfied that the process has been appropriately followed and is now concluded.
We remain committed to fostering a respectful, inclusive, and safe working environment for all of our staff and patients.

🤬🤬🤬🤬

I’m so disappointed not to have been given access to this. I applied about 20 minutes after the instructions were published, with my own name and disclosed my professional interest. (I wonder what criteria were actually used to determine who to admit, because it couldn’t possibly have been simply first come first served based on some of the times of application reported here?!)

Anyway, I hope those observing hang onto their eyebrows and I will be following TT.

Because MNHQ took away the laughing emoji.

🤣😆🤣😆🤣😆😂😂

I’ve had the blank grey screen since 9:28 on my iPad using Safari. I have Chrome (thank you @nauticant) but without a link I can copy and paste I can’t use it.

I’m now on the computer using Chrome, and I just get a screen full of cameras crossed out and lots of names. No sound

“Conference locked” flashed up.

possibly a cross/post as I type but can anyone see the proceedings?

So you still have that screen?

What the fuck is "facilitated reflective practice discussion"

Is it wank work speak for having a chat?

@OhBuggerandArse

If you look at the Herald live feed it's in the statement from NHS fife about the internal review

It's a bit like a struggle session

Re-education for Sandie, I should think.

God, it must have galled them SO MUCH that she was cleared. Which is why they took so long to tell her.