NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #27

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It will resume on 16 July and the last day of evidence will be 28 July and then there will be 2 days of submissions from counsel meaning that the hearing will end on 30 July.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions wereFri provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
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Maybe she's client fluid, in one moment she identifies as representing Fife and in the next as representing Upton.

Just checking in to wave the flag for Sandie.

I imagine that there is going to be a fair bit of discussion with the judge before things get going this morning. It just adds to the accusation that Sandie was being harassed.

Presumably an adult told NHS Fife to get their act together.

Genuine question. would the legal teams not have had contingency plans for the possible outcomes of the disciplinary?
No doubt there's lots of frantic legal argument shuffling going on as we speak, but they always knew this was possible.

If she could sit there with a glass of whisky and a cigar, shrugging slightly occasionally, all the better.

Any problems FifeDU have with their representation is really on them to sort out amongst theyselves.

SP and team NC can just sit this out.

👏🏼🎉👊🏼😎💙

I have an image of her scuttling round to stand behind different desks and using slightly different voices. Maybe a change of scarf or hair do to signify which side each time.

Can anyone see a response on Reddit or Twitter from the other point of view?

It really shows bad faith to make this announcement the evening before the tribunal. Its such suspicious timing, I dont think the tribunal will have much patience with Fife claiming it now needs a postponement.

I haven't RTFT please could someone direct me to what the new reporting/discussion rules are? Are we not allowed to discuss TT tweets during the hearing?

Yay 🙌🙌🙌

She would do this so well too.

I'm preparing to crush even harder than I have before!

They are really poorly informed about this case on uk trans Reddit, I think many of them are avoiding it.

And arguing with each persona!

'I put it to you that the outcome of the disciplinary investigation has put NHS Fife in a very difficult situation and has weakened the case of your client, Dr Upton'

(Scurries around to the other table, adjusting wig)

'But my client, Dr Upton, has found the consequences of his lies have proven detrimental to him and therefore we must strike all these proceeding as the FAFO aspect has made him sad'

(Scurries back to the other desk, hastily sticking the false mustache back on).

I know it's all very serious, but some of the posts in here this morning have made me miss the LOL react.

Blimey - this case is pushing the bounds of crazy.

Does the disciplinary action mean that a GMC complaint can be made against Dr Upton or would that depend on the outcome of the Tribunal? Is it in Sandy's interests to get a Tribunal decision in her favour?

She must feel she is near the end of this nonsense now.

There's this thread on Reddit, interestingly nobody has jumped on to mention tje latest plot twist

https://www.reddit.com/r/transgenderUK/comments/1lyur4b/if_dr_upton_is_out_there_or_if_anyone_knows_her/

Sandie should now sue Upton (can she do that?) - I would donate!

https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/s/0BCSTpEyNT

She already is as DrU is a named respondent.

Thanks for this, what with this thread, the Herald website and TT I'm doing my best to follow what's going on. Who'd have thought it would be so exciting this morning before it's even got going!!!

Where can I find the statement NHS Fife made yesterday please?

😂

No statement from Andy Gray about how he supports NHS Fife, then? The ramifications of this case are massive. I’d love to hear what John Swinney is saying

The four + month delay before this second part of the tribunal, which seemed so long and frustrating and hard on SP, mean that is now happening after the Supreme Court ruling that women have always existed and still do, and that women have a right to single-sex spaces and always did.

Fife didn't really have any choice but to withdraw charges on those issues, leaving the claims of putting patients at risk the only things they had left. And this makes it clear they always knew they were at the very best shaky.

I wonder will BU have a fit of vapours and get signed off sick by a fellow-medic. It would be a good way to make their position even worse.
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