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Lineker 'Trans people are some of the most persecuted people on the planet'

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IDareSay · 15/05/2025 12:25

Just stick to bloody football Gary.

Oliver Brown in The Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/05/15/gary-lineker-interview-gaza-transgender-america-bbc-motd/

“One other area where Lineker has been noticeably silent is a subject where centrist-dad equivocations are difficult: men masquerading in sport as women. This has been front-page news in his own realm, with the Football Association forced this month to ban males from all levels of the female game, honouring the Supreme Court’s ruling that the definition of a woman was based on biological sex. And yet Lineker has consistently swerved it. When his podcast, The Rest Is Football, tried a public question-and-answer experiment last November, Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies and hundreds of other women asked him what he thought of the FA banning a teenager – revealed by The Telegraph last weekend as Cerys Vaughan – for asking a transgender opponent: “Are you a man?” Even under pressure from a nine-time Wimbledon singles champion and a celebrated Olympic swimmer, he neglected to engage. Why?
“Ugh,” he sighs, slumping so far forward in his chair he nearly hits the table. “You can’t cover that subject properly in a post. It’s too nuanced. I don’t actually think, in terms of sport, that it will ever be a real issue. Sport, as it’s already doing, will sort it out and work out rules. Like they did in boxing, when they realised they couldn’t have heavyweights against little fellas.”
Is it not blindingly obvious, however, that sport will not simply “sort it out”? It has taken many determined female campaigners a punishingly long time to undo the damage of gender ideology, compelling sports to prioritise fairness for women rather than vacuous mantras about inclusion. Amid broad acceptance that the rights of half the population should trump the view of a small, vocal minority of men that they are entitled to colonise women’s sport, Lineker makes it clear where his sympathies lie. “They’re some of the most persecuted on the planet, trans people. You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that. I genuinely feel really badly for trans people. Imagine going through what they have to go through in life. Is there even any issue? It’s the same swimmer, the same weightlifter, the same boxer. They’re the only people I ever see.”

Lineker’s perspective here is myopic. The three examples he raises – American swimmer Lia Thomas, New Zealand weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, and Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, not transgender but permitted to win gold as a woman at the Paris Olympics despite sex tests indicating the presence of male chromosomes – are indeed well-publicised. But they are far from the only ones he could cite, with a recent report by Reem Alsalem, the United Nations special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, documenting how governing bodies’ failures to act had led to more than 600 female athletes around the world losing 890 medals in 29 different sports.
In his eyes, only cases at elite level matter. “We’ve got the Women’s Euros in the summer. Let’s see if there’s one issue – I don’t think there is. Are you telling me that there are many people who pretend to be women just so they’re going to be good at sport?” The desire of some males to receive affirmation as female can be a powerful motivating force, I argue. “It’s so complex,” Lineker says. “I see both sides to a degree.””

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musicalfrog · 15/05/2025 12:27

Awful man.

Anyone who says this obviously doesn't realise (or doesn't care) the rate at which women are being murdered on a weekly basis in this country.

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 12:29

'It's just not a real issue' . No Gary... it's not an issue for you because you don't give a shit about women or women's sports or see women as equal.

At least the Telegraph showed him for what he is. A misogynistic arrogant little man. Who somehow gets paid millions by our national broadcaster.

impossibletoday · 15/05/2025 12:31

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impossibletoday · 15/05/2025 12:32

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borntobequiet · 15/05/2025 12:33

Twat.

User135644 · 15/05/2025 12:35

He's a liberal moron

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/05/2025 12:36

Haha what a prize knob he is.

Projectme · 15/05/2025 12:37

never liked him. so smug. urgh.

nauticant · 15/05/2025 12:37

From the Telegraph article linked above:

The key event in Gary Lineker’s week should have been presenting Saturday’s FA Cup final on the BBC, a week before he hosts Match of the Day for the last time. Instead he has found himself fighting for his reputation and career after sharing a pro-Palestine post on his Instagram account that featured a rat emoji historically used as an anti-Semitic slur.

We've heard enough from Lineker.

Jujujudo · 15/05/2025 12:39

nauticant · 15/05/2025 12:37

From the Telegraph article linked above:

The key event in Gary Lineker’s week should have been presenting Saturday’s FA Cup final on the BBC, a week before he hosts Match of the Day for the last time. Instead he has found himself fighting for his reputation and career after sharing a pro-Palestine post on his Instagram account that featured a rat emoji historically used as an anti-Semitic slur.

We've heard enough from Lineker.

I was just about to comment on the rat thing. Imagine “not knowing” that referring to Jews as rats is horrifying. On top of his trans woo pandering..

Mistyglade · 15/05/2025 12:42

Ignorant goal hanging twat trying to stay relevant shows himself to be a first class prat who understands diddly shit.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 15/05/2025 12:43

Urgh. What a twat.

Lostinidea · 15/05/2025 12:44

Projectme · 15/05/2025 12:37

never liked him. so smug. urgh.

Same, but have never understood what he believes he has to be so smug about. All he's known for is being competent at kicking a ball and flogging some crisps.

nauticant · 15/05/2025 12:45

Jujujudo · 15/05/2025 12:39

I was just about to comment on the rat thing. Imagine “not knowing” that referring to Jews as rats is horrifying. On top of his trans woo pandering..

I think we should forgive genuine mistakes. But if he reveals himself to be pitching into one of most difficult and polarised issues going, and is largely clueless about it, then if he had any sense of responsibility, and wasn't so caught up in his own ego, he'd withdraw, or at the very least step back to reassess what he's doing.

TheOtherRaven · 15/05/2025 12:47

Oh rubbish Gary. Utter twaddle.

No 'persecuted' or 'oppressed' group is entirely centred and represented widely across the press, media AND the ruddy HoC briefings while entirely obliterating other groups which include women (including those with trans identities) and homosexual people, and trying to block them out as not mattering at all.

Put down these ridiculous fantasies ffs and lets address the real issue which is your support for a male rights movement that is focused on, let's face it, largely straight, white men and why they should be able to destroy women's rights.

(Because if any of the gay men mattered, the SC judgment would be recognised as maintaining their protections.)

Own it. Admit your own bloody prejudices. No one believes this bull any more.

DialSquare · 15/05/2025 12:50

The only thing that surprises me about GL is that he doesn’t have a beard.

DialSquare · 15/05/2025 12:51

DialSquare · 15/05/2025 12:50

The only thing that surprises me about GL is that he doesn’t have a beard.

Just to clarify, I mean a full on on proper beard.

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 12:53

He’s constant. Awful man.

teawamutu · 15/05/2025 12:53

For Billy, read Gary.

Lineker 'Trans people are some of the most persecuted people on the planet'
Cosmosforbreakfast · 15/05/2025 13:04

There was a time Gary Lineker was 'a nice guy'. Now he's just another woman hating TRA. Why is it so important to some of these has been Z listers to to keep pushing this anti-woman rubbish? Most of them could even have chosen to say nothing either way.

JasmineAllen · 15/05/2025 13:06

I get the impression that this is Gary and his PR team trying to reflect from the anti Semitic slur he posted earlier in the week while pretending that he didn't realise his post was anti Semitic.

Guess what Gary, I'm not going to forget you did that and neither are lot of other people. What you posted was despicable. Equally as despicable as throwing women's rights to single sex facilities, sports, medical care etc under the bus in this shitty little interview.

Circumferences · 15/05/2025 13:07

Lineker is a BBC sock puppet.
He has to repeat the party line in order to receive his seven figure salary.
He doesn't actually think for himself.
He also can't even analyse a football match very well !
He repeats what he's told to say.

Circumferences · 15/05/2025 13:07

The BBC are going mental it's so funny 🤣

JasmineAllen · 15/05/2025 13:10

Cosmosforbreakfast · 15/05/2025 13:04

There was a time Gary Lineker was 'a nice guy'. Now he's just another woman hating TRA. Why is it so important to some of these has been Z listers to to keep pushing this anti-woman rubbish? Most of them could even have chosen to say nothing either way.

I assume it's because they have a weird need to be constantly in the news and this is an easy way to achieve that, like a sort of attention seeking personality disorder.

soupycustard · 15/05/2025 13:13

Even if it were 'always the same 3 people' - which it isn't, as he would know if he wasn't so thoughtless and selfish - that is still 3 people too many. 3 people who took sports places from women. This is so simple. I know he's probably not very bright but honestly, it's not hard to understand even for someone a bit thick.