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Lineker 'Trans people are some of the most persecuted people on the planet'

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IDareSay · 15/05/2025 12:25

Just stick to bloody football Gary.

Oliver Brown in The Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/05/15/gary-lineker-interview-gaza-transgender-america-bbc-motd/

“One other area where Lineker has been noticeably silent is a subject where centrist-dad equivocations are difficult: men masquerading in sport as women. This has been front-page news in his own realm, with the Football Association forced this month to ban males from all levels of the female game, honouring the Supreme Court’s ruling that the definition of a woman was based on biological sex. And yet Lineker has consistently swerved it. When his podcast, The Rest Is Football, tried a public question-and-answer experiment last November, Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies and hundreds of other women asked him what he thought of the FA banning a teenager – revealed by The Telegraph last weekend as Cerys Vaughan – for asking a transgender opponent: “Are you a man?” Even under pressure from a nine-time Wimbledon singles champion and a celebrated Olympic swimmer, he neglected to engage. Why?
“Ugh,” he sighs, slumping so far forward in his chair he nearly hits the table. “You can’t cover that subject properly in a post. It’s too nuanced. I don’t actually think, in terms of sport, that it will ever be a real issue. Sport, as it’s already doing, will sort it out and work out rules. Like they did in boxing, when they realised they couldn’t have heavyweights against little fellas.”
Is it not blindingly obvious, however, that sport will not simply “sort it out”? It has taken many determined female campaigners a punishingly long time to undo the damage of gender ideology, compelling sports to prioritise fairness for women rather than vacuous mantras about inclusion. Amid broad acceptance that the rights of half the population should trump the view of a small, vocal minority of men that they are entitled to colonise women’s sport, Lineker makes it clear where his sympathies lie. “They’re some of the most persecuted on the planet, trans people. You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that. I genuinely feel really badly for trans people. Imagine going through what they have to go through in life. Is there even any issue? It’s the same swimmer, the same weightlifter, the same boxer. They’re the only people I ever see.”

Lineker’s perspective here is myopic. The three examples he raises – American swimmer Lia Thomas, New Zealand weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, and Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, not transgender but permitted to win gold as a woman at the Paris Olympics despite sex tests indicating the presence of male chromosomes – are indeed well-publicised. But they are far from the only ones he could cite, with a recent report by Reem Alsalem, the United Nations special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, documenting how governing bodies’ failures to act had led to more than 600 female athletes around the world losing 890 medals in 29 different sports.
In his eyes, only cases at elite level matter. “We’ve got the Women’s Euros in the summer. Let’s see if there’s one issue – I don’t think there is. Are you telling me that there are many people who pretend to be women just so they’re going to be good at sport?” The desire of some males to receive affirmation as female can be a powerful motivating force, I argue. “It’s so complex,” Lineker says. “I see both sides to a degree.””

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Childrenofthestones · 15/05/2025 15:55

Some of the most persecuted? That's a laugh. They are the most powerful pressure group our society has ever seen.

CorruptedCauldron · 15/05/2025 16:09

Yes @BunnyLake I recall him dragging his bum along the grass! Dignity in tatters!

As for this latest interview, I think his quote “You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that” just about sums it up really. Translation: I don’t really know anything about this issue and it’s in my interests not to know anything about it lest I do a wrongthink.

As for him saying it’s not going to be an issue, the translation is: It’s not going to be an issue for me.

I don’t think he hates women. He just couldn’t care less. Women’s sport is not on his radar.

callmej · 15/05/2025 16:15

Revolting little bigot. Can't understand why the BBC (and therefore we) are still paying him an absolute fortune - didn't the week he didn't turn up to do his show attract vastly more viewers? So even the people who want to listen to some bloke talking about kicking a ball can't stand him, and that's the only thing he's remotely qualified to discuss. He clearly - and admittedly - has very limited understanding of the topics he chooses to burble on about, which does come across as though he someone's useful idiot...

PotatoBreadForTheWin · 15/05/2025 16:23

I don’t normally comment when I have nothing to add to the discussion but my god, lineker is such a prick!!

Rightsraptor · 15/05/2025 16:37

Can we please have Gary Linekar debating Sharron Davies about transwomen in women's sport and also GL debating Douglas Murray on Israel/Palestine?

I'd pay loads of money to watch that.

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/05/2025 16:43

Aiden Magee used to write Gary Lineker's column (I think it was in The Sun) apparently Gary never had anything to say about any political issue - ever.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/05/2025 16:48

I'm always puzzled by the 'most persecuted / marginalised' comment. What does that even mean? Why do those who say it, never provide any actual examples?

It's just nonsense.

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 17:16

Rightsraptor · 15/05/2025 16:37

Can we please have Gary Linekar debating Sharron Davies about transwomen in women's sport and also GL debating Douglas Murray on Israel/Palestine?

I'd pay loads of money to watch that.

Oh me too.... although the residual #bekind part of me would think that would be just awfully cruel to GL.

(Mind you. considering he is being paid millions to be a fucking racist and sexist twat- maybe I could reserve my sympathy)

amber763 · 15/05/2025 17:16

What a knob

BreatheAndFocus · 15/05/2025 17:27

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/05/2025 16:48

I'm always puzzled by the 'most persecuted / marginalised' comment. What does that even mean? Why do those who say it, never provide any actual examples?

It's just nonsense.

It’s something they parrot. A male friend used a similar phrase to me after the SC ruling. No mention of women, just hand-wringing about trans women “who are some of the most vulnerable people” and what would the poor loves doooooooooo. It was infuriating!

These are people who’ve outsourced their thinking. They’re mainly straight people who’ve skim read the crap Stonewall came out with and regurgitate it on demand every time someone mentions or even threatens to mention women.

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2025 17:36

JasmineAllen · 15/05/2025 13:06

I get the impression that this is Gary and his PR team trying to reflect from the anti Semitic slur he posted earlier in the week while pretending that he didn't realise his post was anti Semitic.

Guess what Gary, I'm not going to forget you did that and neither are lot of other people. What you posted was despicable. Equally as despicable as throwing women's rights to single sex facilities, sports, medical care etc under the bus in this shitty little interview.

Racist, homophobic and sexist.

Woot he got the hat trick

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2025 17:37

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 17:16

Oh me too.... although the residual #bekind part of me would think that would be just awfully cruel to GL.

(Mind you. considering he is being paid millions to be a fucking racist and sexist twat- maybe I could reserve my sympathy)

Edited

Why can't we be cruel to Gary?

Seems fair given his rent a gob.

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 17:42

Cruel because SD and DM would just be engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Because GL is like... totally... totally... dumb.

But yeah- he's being paid shittingly stupid amounts (which no doubt he thinks is his right) so- bring it on.

BundleBoogie · 15/05/2025 17:42

Vastly overpaid and pathetic little man.

Clearly not the brightest.

Mollyollydolly · 15/05/2025 17:42

It's all so nuanced ..
But the Middle East .. jump in with both feet.
I loathe him.
I wish Dom and Tom on TRIH podcast would jump ship. I really resent lining his pockets.
Some really stupid people are good at making money and he's one of them.

Raquelos · 15/05/2025 17:56

Gary Lineker, yet another intellectual lightweight with no skin in the game who fails to realise his uninformed reflections on being kind to those poor special men show him up for the thoughtless, uncaring misogynist he is.

He along with others such as Ian Hislop, Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart who don't think this issue merits their full manly consideration (because silly women making such a fuss) can fuck right off.

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 18:08

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 17:42

Cruel because SD and DM would just be engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Because GL is like... totally... totally... dumb.

But yeah- he's being paid shittingly stupid amounts (which no doubt he thinks is his right) so- bring it on.

Actually- tbh I should have just quoted the illustrious Colleen Rooney and said that pitting Gary L against heavyweights like Sharron Davies would be like trying to play chess with a pigeon.

EdithStourton · 15/05/2025 18:12

MookieCat · 15/05/2025 18:08

Actually- tbh I should have just quoted the illustrious Colleen Rooney and said that pitting Gary L against heavyweights like Sharron Davies would be like trying to play chess with a pigeon.

Was that quote further up the thread? Knocks over all the pieces, struts about as if it's won, and shits on the board?

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/05/2025 18:24

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2025 17:36

Racist, homophobic and sexist.

Woot he got the hat trick

Homophobic too? What was that, I missed that.

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2025 18:29

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/05/2025 18:24

Homophobic too? What was that, I missed that.

The SC court was brought by lesbians who felt that without being able to define sex along biological lines they would lose their protected status as homosexuals.

This anyone bleating about the SC ruling needs to understand this...

TheOtherRaven · 15/05/2025 18:47

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2025 18:29

The SC court was brought by lesbians who felt that without being able to define sex along biological lines they would lose their protected status as homosexuals.

This anyone bleating about the SC ruling needs to understand this...

This being the ability to have a group that is in truth lesbian only, excluding all men of any identity choice.

Groups had been driven underground to escape harassment for refusing to indulge men who wanted to be with them.

littlbrowndog · 15/05/2025 18:59

Raquelos · 15/05/2025 17:56

Gary Lineker, yet another intellectual lightweight with no skin in the game who fails to realise his uninformed reflections on being kind to those poor special men show him up for the thoughtless, uncaring misogynist he is.

He along with others such as Ian Hislop, Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart who don't think this issue merits their full manly consideration (because silly women making such a fuss) can fuck right off.

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all of them

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2025 19:16

mordaunt · 15/05/2025 14:53

Well well. It IS the BBC after all. Covering the tracks of older men (allegedly) targeting young people is par for the course.

Yes I’ve heard awful stories about his relationships with much younger, vunerable woman. His first wife finally had enough and divorced him.

SternJoyousBee · 15/05/2025 19:19

borntobequiet · 15/05/2025 12:33

Twat.

Perfectly stated. I can add nothing else.

ArabellaScott · 15/05/2025 19:26

CorruptedCauldron · 15/05/2025 16:09

Yes @BunnyLake I recall him dragging his bum along the grass! Dignity in tatters!

As for this latest interview, I think his quote “You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that” just about sums it up really. Translation: I don’t really know anything about this issue and it’s in my interests not to know anything about it lest I do a wrongthink.

As for him saying it’s not going to be an issue, the translation is: It’s not going to be an issue for me.

I don’t think he hates women. He just couldn’t care less. Women’s sport is not on his radar.

Yes. It's a very odd phrase, isn't it?

As if his views are something he has to carefully watch and curate.

Rather than consider, test, question.

Almost sounds like the religious belief of a secret non-believer, Gary.