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Lineker 'Trans people are some of the most persecuted people on the planet'

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IDareSay · 15/05/2025 12:25

Just stick to bloody football Gary.

Oliver Brown in The Telegraph:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2025/05/15/gary-lineker-interview-gaza-transgender-america-bbc-motd/

“One other area where Lineker has been noticeably silent is a subject where centrist-dad equivocations are difficult: men masquerading in sport as women. This has been front-page news in his own realm, with the Football Association forced this month to ban males from all levels of the female game, honouring the Supreme Court’s ruling that the definition of a woman was based on biological sex. And yet Lineker has consistently swerved it. When his podcast, The Rest Is Football, tried a public question-and-answer experiment last November, Martina Navratilova, Sharron Davies and hundreds of other women asked him what he thought of the FA banning a teenager – revealed by The Telegraph last weekend as Cerys Vaughan – for asking a transgender opponent: “Are you a man?” Even under pressure from a nine-time Wimbledon singles champion and a celebrated Olympic swimmer, he neglected to engage. Why?
“Ugh,” he sighs, slumping so far forward in his chair he nearly hits the table. “You can’t cover that subject properly in a post. It’s too nuanced. I don’t actually think, in terms of sport, that it will ever be a real issue. Sport, as it’s already doing, will sort it out and work out rules. Like they did in boxing, when they realised they couldn’t have heavyweights against little fellas.”
Is it not blindingly obvious, however, that sport will not simply “sort it out”? It has taken many determined female campaigners a punishingly long time to undo the damage of gender ideology, compelling sports to prioritise fairness for women rather than vacuous mantras about inclusion. Amid broad acceptance that the rights of half the population should trump the view of a small, vocal minority of men that they are entitled to colonise women’s sport, Lineker makes it clear where his sympathies lie. “They’re some of the most persecuted on the planet, trans people. You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that. I genuinely feel really badly for trans people. Imagine going through what they have to go through in life. Is there even any issue? It’s the same swimmer, the same weightlifter, the same boxer. They’re the only people I ever see.”

Lineker’s perspective here is myopic. The three examples he raises – American swimmer Lia Thomas, New Zealand weightlifter Laurel Hubbard, and Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, not transgender but permitted to win gold as a woman at the Paris Olympics despite sex tests indicating the presence of male chromosomes – are indeed well-publicised. But they are far from the only ones he could cite, with a recent report by Reem Alsalem, the United Nations special rapporteur on violence against women and girls, documenting how governing bodies’ failures to act had led to more than 600 female athletes around the world losing 890 medals in 29 different sports.
In his eyes, only cases at elite level matter. “We’ve got the Women’s Euros in the summer. Let’s see if there’s one issue – I don’t think there is. Are you telling me that there are many people who pretend to be women just so they’re going to be good at sport?” The desire of some males to receive affirmation as female can be a powerful motivating force, I argue. “It’s so complex,” Lineker says. “I see both sides to a degree.””

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DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 13:17

“If you are silent on Gaza you are complicit”

if you minimise and won’t even answer the question when well informed sportswomen tell you what’s going on, what are you then Gary?

Has anyone sent him to press cuttings of women injured by transwomen in sport? For the record, it’s not just one or two

ScribblingPixie · 15/05/2025 13:20

Oliver Brown is such a good journalist. But he didn't even have to coax Lineker into admitting he knows next to nothing and cares less about women's sport. That's just not acceptable in 2025.

lady69 · 15/05/2025 13:21

He is an anti-semite and twit. He also was a creep around young women for years and had a reputation for wandering hands for years in the tv industry. How he has any sort of public profile STILL after all these years of him being an obnoxious gobshite prick of a man i do not know. .

DragonRunor · 15/05/2025 13:23

soupycustard · 15/05/2025 13:13

Even if it were 'always the same 3 people' - which it isn't, as he would know if he wasn't so thoughtless and selfish - that is still 3 people too many. 3 people who took sports places from women. This is so simple. I know he's probably not very bright but honestly, it's not hard to understand even for someone a bit thick.

In fairness, I don’t know why we expect footballers (or other celebs) to be competent commentators on the wider world until they’ve proved they know what they’re talking about. Those who don’t know what they’re talking about (and don’t want to do the work to find out) should recognise their limitations and STFU

miraxxx · 15/05/2025 13:24

lady69 · 15/05/2025 13:21

He is an anti-semite and twit. He also was a creep around young women for years and had a reputation for wandering hands for years in the tv industry. How he has any sort of public profile STILL after all these years of him being an obnoxious gobshite prick of a man i do not know. .

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I suspect he latches on to progressive and fashionable causes as a way of deflecting attention from his flaws.

NameChangedOfc · 15/05/2025 13:27

I'm sorry but sports comentator... I mean...

Circumferences · 15/05/2025 13:27

Isreal is committing mass genocide though.
It's the worst humanitarian crisis happening right now.
To be silent is to be complicit, I don't know how anyone can defend what's going on by crying "anti semitic".....

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 13:28

lady69 · 15/05/2025 13:21

He is an anti-semite and twit. He also was a creep around young women for years and had a reputation for wandering hands for years in the tv industry. How he has any sort of public profile STILL after all these years of him being an obnoxious gobshite prick of a man i do not know. .

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Idk why we have to put up with men like this in the spotlight.

cramptramp · 15/05/2025 13:30

I cannot stand Gary Lineker and have disliked him since he was a player. He jumps on any bandwagon that he thinks will get him attention. Virtue signalling moron.

maltravers · 15/05/2025 13:30

Yes Gary, silence is complicity. Your silence on GI matters would make you complicit in the harm done to women, including in women’s sport. But your comments now to Oliver Brown show you are indeed the TRA we always thought. Just another male chauvinist 🐖 when the chips are down. “I feel for Trans people, I really do”, but not for women eh? No need for them to have fair and safe sport? Just women and you don’t GAF about them.

AlwaysFreezing · 15/05/2025 13:34

I'd say women have historically been the most persecuted people on the planet.

FriedGold32 · 15/05/2025 13:37

I just can't comprehend how stupid you have to be to think that transvestite men are a persecuted minority.

UrsulasHerbBag · 15/05/2025 13:37

He is a very very shallow thinker. No illustrious education that I am aware of. Just opinions that appeal to his dumb following. FYI posting emojis of rats when slagging off Jewish people is anti semitic you jug eared arsehole.

RNApolymerase · 15/05/2025 13:40

There'd be plenty of people around that would disagree with the "trans people most persecuted on the planet" statement. Women in Afghanistan maybe? People in Gaza? Doesn't really compare with being asked to use a gender neutral toilet....

EasternStandard · 15/05/2025 13:40

UrsulasHerbBag · 15/05/2025 13:37

He is a very very shallow thinker. No illustrious education that I am aware of. Just opinions that appeal to his dumb following. FYI posting emojis of rats when slagging off Jewish people is anti semitic you jug eared arsehole.

How on earth does he get away with that. WTF

thenightsky · 15/05/2025 13:40

FriedGold32 · 15/05/2025 13:37

I just can't comprehend how stupid you have to be to think that transvestite men are a persecuted minority.

Does he even know half of what's happening to women in, say, Afghanistan. They aren't even allowed to look out of windows or pass by a window anymore now.

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2025 13:46

He’s showing how little he cares about women’s grass roots sport.

We see you Gary and will never forget.

forgotmyusername1 · 15/05/2025 13:47

I do find it interesting how most of the men who believe trans women are women are not dating one.

I wonder whether they would see them as a woman in the bedroom?

TheOtherRaven · 15/05/2025 13:51

LizzieSiddal · 15/05/2025 13:46

He’s showing how little he cares about women’s grass roots sport.

We see you Gary and will never forget.

I'd link this to Naomi Cunningham's stunning article on the other thread: here is yet another man tenderly sympathetic to other (straight) men, while showing a 'disquieting contempt' for women and any needs they may have or anything they may say. And who in fact means 'women, submit to men' when he uses the word 'kind'.

PopstarPoppy · 15/05/2025 13:52

I think we can sum up by simply switching a few words in the thread title.

Lineker: one of the most privileged people on the planet.

He has no clue about many issues he bangs on about, including women’s rights, immigration and Gaza. None of them have any impact on him whatsoever. And he is under the misapprehension that having been a brilliant footballer, his opinion is somehow worth more than that of other people. He is one of the main reasons I refuse to pay the BBC licence fee.

Mmmnotsure · 15/05/2025 13:57

Lineker makes it clear where his sympathies lie. “They’re some of the most persecuted on the planet, trans people. You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that. I genuinely feel really badly for trans people. Imagine going through what they have to go through in life. Is there even any issue? It’s the same swimmer, the same weightlifter, the same boxer [Thomas, Hubbard, Khelif].They’re the only people I ever see.”

Says it all. It's the same swimmer... yes, but now in the wrong sports category, Gary. Can he be this thick, you ask.

And then he gives us the reason: that they are the only people he ever sees.

Gary Lineker, never really seen a woman.

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 15/05/2025 13:59

Circumferences · 15/05/2025 13:27

Isreal is committing mass genocide though.
It's the worst humanitarian crisis happening right now.
To be silent is to be complicit, I don't know how anyone can defend what's going on by crying "anti semitic".....

'Crying'? Lol.
It's perfectly easy to criticise the Israeli government without using and sharing antisemitic imagery.
Meanwhile, back to the point........

Cognacsoft · 15/05/2025 14:00

Circumferences · 15/05/2025 13:27

Isreal is committing mass genocide though.
It's the worst humanitarian crisis happening right now.
To be silent is to be complicit, I don't know how anyone can defend what's going on by crying "anti semitic".....

Well your argument would have blamed the Manchester bombing on every Muslim in the world. You didn't though did you?
Yet for some reason every Jewish person is supposed to be blamed for decisions made by the Israeli government.
Calling a people rats is evil. What sort of person calls children rats because of their religion.

Cognacsoft · 15/05/2025 14:02

Mmmnotsure · 15/05/2025 13:57

Lineker makes it clear where his sympathies lie. “They’re some of the most persecuted on the planet, trans people. You’ve got to be very careful not to have bigoted views on that. I genuinely feel really badly for trans people. Imagine going through what they have to go through in life. Is there even any issue? It’s the same swimmer, the same weightlifter, the same boxer [Thomas, Hubbard, Khelif].They’re the only people I ever see.”

Says it all. It's the same swimmer... yes, but now in the wrong sports category, Gary. Can he be this thick, you ask.

And then he gives us the reason: that they are the only people he ever sees.

Gary Lineker, never really seen a woman.

They're probably all hiding if they see him first. 😆