NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #6

[nauticant]

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

Thread 5: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5

I'm in again, but also just have a blank screen,...

Blank screen here too.

I'll be sending a few vegetables Fayewards this weekend.

These cases are fast becoming Naomi's specialty. I wonder if anyone will ever go on Mastermind with their specialist subject 'ETs of the Trans Times'.

@happydappy2 I think a black screen normally means you should try a different browser? You should either have live footage of a very boring room with a grey carpet or a white screen with a coat-of- arms, a warning that you can't record or transmit, and a nice man repeating "Waiting for the conference host to join", which means you haven't been let in yet.

BTW, is 'my opponent' standard way to refer to another solicitor in this setting? Seems quite ... adversarial.

NC calls JR 'Ms Russell', but JR calls NC 'my opponent'.

We've got 2 of the 7 places in Trending, including top spot!

Well this escalated quickly! Thank you @nauticant for the new thread. Bloody hell this is explosive.

Hoping DU is cross examined on Monday ...

if you are not seeing chairs/empty room then log out and re-request access

I found it didn't work on phone, only desktop

Somebody brought a big suitcase to the tribunal...weird.

Unless that's where all the paperwork bundles are kept.

By that is meant to re-log in, and if that doesn't work, to try a different browser.

yes - lawyers have to lunk a lot of paperwork and sandwiches

You would think!
But, according to JR - "busy A+E department so lots things are done via Teams" Judge helpfully suggested that even Teams meetings could have notes taken . . .JR clarifies that no one took notes!

Can some legal person confirm that workplaces must have male and female CR ie that applies to CR only? What about toilets? Can they be unisex if they’re fully enclosed? But if a toilet also has a changing cubicle, what then?

I now have the empty room by logging out and trying again - about 4 times and it finally worked

That is entirely the point of this tribunal it seems - to define what the law is about CR. If you want lavs too then you will need to get a separate complaint going 😂

I don't know about ETs, but in court it's better to say 'my learned friend' if your oppo is a barrister. I do not consider 'my opponent' to be as polite, but perhaps it's standard in ETs?

Has the other security guard done a bunk now?

Placemarking.

And just taking a minute to step back and acknowledge what a colossal and unhinged basket of insanity this all is.

A man says some magic words that no one believes, including him, to gain access to undressing women in their own changing room. And everyone goes after the women for objecting.

The number of Intelligent, educated, probably otherwise very reasonable adults involved from beginning to end must be huge.

It's absolutely insane.

I wondered that too, Arabella - is it normally "my colleague" or similar? Or "m'learned friend"? Could it be a Scottish legal thing, like "disclose" vs "produce"?

Either way you certainly don't get much of a sense of friendly respect between them, do you? Not like NC and the barrister in the ERC case - I remember some laughter when she asked a witness if she thought he was a man or a woman...

Not like NC and the barrister in the ERC case

He seemed like a decent chap.

Did they not know Teams has a transcript function for meetings? Or deliberately not use it.

I think that Russell and NC are not just legal opponents but are ideological ones too.

While we are waiting then @MorrisZapp who would you cast in the movie?
Imelda Staunton as JR?

Rats! I have a medical appointment at lunchtime on Monday, which could take a while. Otherwise I'd have settled in for the day.