NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #5

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 January 2025 and is expected to continue for 2 weeks. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse

Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2

Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3

Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4

NC this shows a lack of judgment on the part of Dr Kate Searle - it seems unlikely that that is the only time Kate Searle emailed colleagues in terms which she shouldn’t have

DrU misgendered in court

Yes, she can if she thinks that is appropriate.

I do feel for them. What an awful situation to be in - especially if they have their own disquiet about what their son has been up to.

I suspect they might try and settle now too, thus doesn’t look good for then either way so they might go with damage limitation.

'Claimant has been labouring under a considerable disadvantrage in preparing by not having all relevant docs, complying properly is essential to put on equal footing'

'We want to ask you to make specific directions '

Judge asks if she will draft something. NC agrees.

"Drag Queen asked for comment on how mean Scottish nurse was" - because they ask Drag Queens for their views on everything. It's as if things don't even exist if a Drag Queen doesn't have a view on them

JR I object to the application. Yeah I bet you do

Claimant has been under a distinct disadvantage in preparing for this hearing, so needs full compliance to put parties on an equal footing. We therefore need specific orders

NC will draft search terms

Who's this talking now?

JR: "I object to the application of course" - she kind of has to, but she doesn't sound as though her heart is in it!

Yes I do too. They’re not idiots, they can see how bad this is.

I'll link to the continuation thread again so it's on the last page:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6

Oooh the judge not happy

Sorry if this has been answered - does this contradict Dr U's statements in court yesterday?

Yes, but that would be unusual.

Judge reading order .

JR: This is not a roving public enquiry

Judge - the order says what it says. If you think it goes too far, you are seeking to overturn the order?

NC will draft the terms of an order for the judge if he is minded to grant it.

JR objects to the application.
Judge reads out the order - it says what it says. Are you seeking to vary the order?
JR I may be able to clear up some of the mysteries...

JR will clear up some of the mysteries.....

The judge doesn't seem to be impressed.

Meanwhile on R4 (I guess it started at 12:30) Antisocial is hosting a surrogacy spat.

Out of general interest, does anyone know whether witnesses can be subpoenaed in this sort of hearing in Scotland?

It as though there is, suddenly, an adult in the room. Talking about adult, real stuff. The ramifications of the actions of NHS Fife and Dr U in reality and legality.

We are a long way from the I'm special and it's all about meee show of yesterday.

Dr U has been sitting there with nowhere to go. I wonder to what extent he understands about what is happening here and the potential danger he has put himself in. (That's of course if it pans out as one hopes from now on...)

Interestingly Jane Russell talks to the judge like he's six years old, as well.

That feels unlikely...

'JR - my instructions were that the only person the 2nd respondent had sent doc to were her solicitors and the BMA'
'They had the BMA docs yesterday'
'My opponent has decided that that's not good enough ad sees something behidn it that in my submission is not there'